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SLIbandit 11-19-2011 08:09 AM

All the guys commuting into EWR will have no trouble switching it to JFK....

Trip7 11-20-2011 05:21 AM


Originally Posted by Lowlevel (Post 1087747)
And that...is why regionals start at $18k a year salary:mad: LOL!

Don't worry about going back to the SAAB, DCI will not have those much longer.

I was based JFK for 4 years, at the over-abused step-child of DAL (you know, the one that was told to close their JFK base because DAL only wants aircraft with a first class cabin in NY airports, then put 9E 50-seaters there...another lie), but hey I'm not bitter or anything! LOL!

I am actually one of the few that loved being JFK based. Easy commute on JetBlue, you get to mingle with airlines of the world (watch out for the really big white ones, that will hit you:D), and the action of the whole place is "electrifying". Best of all, it's not a bunch of red/white/blue tails, like ATL and DTW.

Advice for in/out of JFK? Learn the lingo, learn the radio calls. Don't miss calls! You can tell the regulars from the outsiders when you listen. Be brief and quick to respond, but at the same time, be a professional pilot on the radio. Know your expected crossings and speeds, and be ready for them. Expect your heading off LGA, and plan ahead. Expect to keep up the speed, until you get to an assigned speed. My personal suggestion when flying a CRJ: if you are at 16K, and given a decend to 8K, come down quick (idle, 250kts, speed brakes and 2000+ fpm. The controller will see this, and usually keep you coming down and cut you in early. If you do it slowly, you'll be heading out to sea somewhere off New Jersey (to put you in the line). I'm not a huge fan of speed brakes (rumble for passengers), but this is one time when it works great.

On the ground, know the airport. Learn the taxi routes that they use. Learn the frequencies and what the controllers want to hear (DAL ramp, ground, tower...). When approching the airport, you can see the routes they are taking on the ground, plan your turn off's to better your chances of getting to the gate quicker. (Landing 22L, plan a roll to J..it's quick to DAL gates. Landing 31R, plan a quick left turn off if they are taxing clockwise, if it's a counterclockwise taxi, get off to not mess up the guy behind you landing, but it's not as important to rush it). If you are landing 31L, right turn off at M or N is right where DAL is, so it works great.

Best food on ready reserve: T5 (JetBlue) has a great salad bar, and other restautants. T4 has a few good places, and it's fun to watch the international crowd. Or take the airtrain to Leffert's Blvd, walk up Leffert's about 1/4-1/2 mile and go to Pizza Port (on right). Great NY pizza and a great penne pasta in vodka sauce!

Hope these tips help. Just enjoy it!

Rumble for passengers? I have yet to find one passenger that wasn't a pilot that complained about too much speedbrake use. Now whipping around those buildups instead of continuing on course thru them will make a difference for the pax

Senior Skipper 11-20-2011 05:34 AM

I often wonder where the myth of spedbrakes making pax uncomfy came from. The sound (if any) is barely perceptible- certainly not as much as the gneral background noise. The quality of the ride doesn't change either. I flew in the cabin of 3 different planes this week, and nobody seemed alarmed when the speedbrakes went up.

Senior Skipper 11-20-2011 05:35 AM


Originally Posted by What (Post 1087650)
APU + >25,000 ft = SJS

That's a joke right?

George Dubya 11-20-2011 05:40 AM

Hi I am a Colgan 2010 hire and just got Captain!

Al Czervik 11-20-2011 05:57 AM


Originally Posted by George Dubya (Post 1088219)
Hi I am a Colgan 2010 hire and just got Captain!

Congrats! Your decision making skills suck so far.

TeddyKGB 11-20-2011 06:33 AM


Originally Posted by Senior Skipper (Post 1088214)
I often wonder where the myth of spedbrakes making pax uncomfy came from. The sound (if any) is barely perceptible- certainly not as much as the gneral background noise. The quality of the ride doesn't change either. I flew in the cabin of 3 different planes this week, and nobody seemed alarmed when the speedbrakes went up.

It's not so much a passenger comfort issue but an issue regarding flying the airplane efficently. Most speed brake use is the result of poor pilot planning. Use them if you need them but if it was your plane and your gas bill I'm sure you would use them much less.

Justdoinmyjob 11-20-2011 07:08 AM


Originally Posted by Delta1067 (Post 1088239)
It's not so much a passenger comfort issue but an issue regarding flying the airplane efficently. Most speed brake use is the result of poor pilot planning. Use them if you need them but if it was your plane and your gas bill I'm sure you would use them much less.


If the manufacturer, FAA, and airline didn't want you to use them, they wouldn't have put them on the plane. Don't buy into the old SWA crap about not using speedbrakes. Not to mention, there isn't a single thing in the FOM, FCTM, or AOM at Delta that restricts the use of, or talks about saving the company money by not using them.

HercDriver130 11-20-2011 07:42 AM


Originally Posted by Delta1067 (Post 1088239)
It's not so much a passenger comfort issue but an issue regarding flying the airplane efficently. Most speed brake use is the result of poor pilot planning. Use them if you need them but if it was your plane and your gas bill I'm sure you would use them much less.

Bull Crap!

80ktsClamp 11-20-2011 08:18 AM


Originally Posted by Delta1067 (Post 1088239)
It's not so much a passenger comfort issue but an issue regarding flying the airplane efficently. Most speed brake use is the result of poor pilot planning. Use them if you need them but if it was your plane and your gas bill I'm sure you would use them much less.

Says the guy flying the 767/757. How many flights have you done in the 757 where you didn't have to use the boards? I can think of only a handful where I didn't have to use them on it.


The CRJ you can typically get away with not using them if you plan correctly because it slows down like a freaking brick, but come on... the plane you're flying right now goes completely contrary to what you just posted.

What is annoying is someone on the CRJ that doesn't realize that each "thunk" in the speedbrake detent is very perceptible in the back.


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