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Zapata 11-19-2011 08:09 PM

Go Jet
 
From another thread;


Yeah I said it, the G word. Go ahead, lock it, send me on vacation...I don't give a $hit. G7 deserves a place on this forum like every other "job stealing regional". Why is everyone so sensitive? Cripes almighty. If anything this company serves to illuminate whats happening in this industry.
In spite of what was said in another prematurely closed thread by whatever overzealous and biased moderator, this is a good point. GoJet DOES INDEED deserve a place on this forum like ANY other regional. Regionals are regionals.

Pokerpilot 11-19-2011 08:32 PM

Ha! I do not work for Go Jet and am not hating, But........ oh I will stop typing b4 I get in trouble.

Am in....

EvilMonkey 11-19-2011 08:37 PM

Too many people drinking cervezas and logging on here tonight I guess:p

In before the lock!

FlyJSH 11-19-2011 09:03 PM


Originally Posted by Zapata (Post 1088135)
From another thread;



In spite of what was said in another prematurely closed thread by whatever overzealous and biased moderator, this is a good point. GoJet DOES INDEED deserve a place on this forum like ANY other regional. Regionals are regionals.

Actually, not all regionals are the same.

There are some regionals which provide connection to a mainline in aircraft the mainline could not afford to support: light twin and turbo prop operators.

Then there are some regoionals which have both augmented and eroded mainline operations: the RJ operators.

Then there is a third group of regionals which circumvent all mainlines, regionals, and unions......

DryMotorBoatin 11-19-2011 10:00 PM


Originally Posted by FlyJSH (Post 1088155)
Actually, not all regionals are the same.

There are some regionals which provide connection to a mainline in aircraft the mainline could not afford to support: light twin and turbo prop operators.

Then there are some regoionals which have both augmented and eroded mainline operations: the RJ operators.

Then there is a third group of regionals which circumvent all mainlines, regionals, and unions......

Jsh...speaking fact! Amen brother. Lots of beers here.

RgrMurdock 11-19-2011 10:19 PM

Making blanket statements like all regionals are the same is pure idiocy. Just like saying all majors are the same.

Pokerpilot 11-19-2011 10:41 PM

All regional are the same.

Simple And More Exacting.

Or if you are bold

Simpler And More Efficient
;)

DirectTo 11-19-2011 10:48 PM


Originally Posted by FlyJSH (Post 1088155)
There are some regionals which provide connection to a mainline in aircraft the mainline could not afford to support: light twin and turbo prop operators.

Then there are some regoionals which have both augmented and eroded mainline operations: the RJ operators.

Beers for you sir.

The grey is the in between...is a 37 seat ERJ a problem? How about a 74 seat turboprop?

Though I'll make no argument about being biased, I don't see any problem with sub-50 seat turboprops at regional/commuter carriers. Mainline can't profitably run things Dash/ATR sized with the current economy and market conditions. The simple fact that the turboprop lacks in speed will keep it from being used on routes where the CRJ/ERJ are jumping dangerously into mainline territory.

It's sad that AA is trying to go to a B-scale on pilot wages...because a 50-seats-and-up mainline contract is exactly what this industry needs more of.

FlyJSH 11-19-2011 10:49 PM


Originally Posted by DryMotorBoatin (Post 1088169)
Jsh...speaking fact! Amen brother. Lots of beers here.

Shucks, thanks. But if you're buying, I'll take a scotch. After all that's what REAL pilots drink. :D

Saabs 11-19-2011 11:16 PM


Originally Posted by DirectTo (Post 1088176)
Beers for you sir.

The grey is the in between...is a 37 seat ERJ a problem? How about a 74 seat turboprop?

Though I'll make no argument about being biased, I don't see any problem with sub-50 seat turboprops at regional/commuter carriers. Mainline can't profitably run things Dash/ATR sized with the current economy and market conditions. The simple fact that the turboprop lacks in speed will keep it from being used on routes where the CRJ/ERJ are jumping dangerously into mainline territory.

It's sad that AA is trying to go to a B-scale on pilot wages...because a 50-seats-and-up mainline contract is exactly what this industry needs more of.


Q 400's should be scoped as well. I hope we don't get another one over at pinnacolaba

FlyJSH 11-19-2011 11:18 PM


Originally Posted by DirectTo (Post 1088176)
Beers for you sir.

The grey is the in between...is a 37 seat ERJ a problem? How about a 74 seat turboprop?

.

Honestly, I don't think it is just seats, I think it is a blend of seat AND range.

Make scope limits something like 15000 seat miles. That would mean a regional could fly a Saab 440 miles (34*440=1500), a 50 seat jet 300 miles, a 70 seat Q400 210 miles.

Heck, we could even have a regional flying an A380, but the only route would be the LGA to JFK shuttle. :D

EvilMonkey 11-19-2011 11:55 PM

Just for perspective, is anyone familiar with how airlines in other parts of the world set up their scope? I'm unfamiliar what airlines like British Airways, Qantas, or Lufthansa have in place.

Zapata 11-20-2011 01:30 AM


Originally Posted by RgrMurdock (Post 1088170)
Making blanket statements like all regionals are the same is pure idiocy. Just like saying all majors are the same.

Taking this out of context like you have is pure idiocy. I guess I have to spell it out for you and maybe some others. In regard to the ethics of hiring on right now, all regionals are the same. They're all bad for the industry. To blame one is pure hypocrisy.

CaptainCarl 11-20-2011 05:12 AM

Failure to Communicate
 

Originally Posted by Zapata (Post 1088135)
GoJet DOES INDEED deserve a place on this forum like ANY other regional. Regionals are regionals.



Like the "overzealous" moderator who shut down the last GoJet thread said, "If you can come up with something to actually discuss with regards to the subject then feel free to start a thread, but a pointless post like this isn't going to cut it." And since you ain't got nothing useful to add at this time, this thread serves no purpose.

Senior Skipper 11-20-2011 05:39 AM


Originally Posted by FlyJSH (Post 1088155)
Actually, not all regionals are the same.

There are some regionals which provide connection to a mainline in aircraft the mainline could not afford to support: light twin and turbo prop operators.

Then there are some regoionals which have both augmented and eroded mainline operations: the RJ operators.

Then there is a third group of regionals which circumvent all mainlines, regionals, and unions......

+1

The gojet guys don't see what they're doing to the industry. All they can see is the pretty CRJ-700 that they're being underpaid to fly.


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