SIC limitation removed
 

it appears as though my the sic limitation has been removed from my license after taking my atp. Limitations section now blank, yes I took the ATP in a different a.c. then the one where my sic limit applied.

Is this a mistake on the FAA's part or is this correct?

Sounds like a mistake.

yep...it would be a mistake

Not to go off on a tangent, but I always wondered if you can fly SIC with a PIC type. If you have an ATP, would it be a waste of time to get an SIC when you can just get a PIC and never have to worry about upgrading the type rating?

Yes a person can fly as an SIC with a PIC type rating. Lots of airlines type their FOs.

A type rating (PIC or SIC) can go on a Private, Commercial or ATP certificate.

You have to be typed in each aircraft. It isn't the ATP that gives you the type. The ATP is the certificate & the type is the rating. It's less costly to SIC type someone, then PIC type someone. Or so I'm told. It's all about $$$.

It's a mistake. Your certificate changed, not your ratings. As far as I know(which isn't a lot :D )you should still have the SIC type.

What, don't you remember:

An Aviation Safety Inspector, Aviation Safety Technician, or Examiner must inform the applicant that the

Considering you signed the 8710 which states that you agree that all information is true, I'd say you better get it fixed. You never completed a PIC type ride to remove the SIC type.

What does a SIC type do for you anyway ?? I thought it only had something to do with international rules should you happen to fly to a location outside of the US. I know I have one for the D8, and the only reason I got it was because we flew to Mexico.

It's basically a way for our cheap American regional airlines to meet ICAO requirements and do international flying without giving full PIC types.

Yea, about what I thought. Thanks

Helps out in the bizjet world too. Type ratings are expensive.

I ran into someone a year ago that had the same thing. He had an SIC in a Citation, and then got his ATP later on and his new FAA certificate did not have the SIC limitation on it. I really wouldn't worry too much about getting it fixed. Just don't go fly as PIC on the plane until you get the appropriate training.

Make sure you're not getting SIC type rating and type rating with PIC limitations confused. An SIC allows you to act as ONLY as SIC until appropriate training and checkride takes place for a PIC rating. A PIC type with a PIC limitation is different.

When I got my first PIC type there was a limitation indicating that I could only exercise my PIC privileges when flying with another PIC typed pilot. In order to have that limitation removed I flew our empty legs left seat with a qualified captain. After min 25hrs made an appointment with the FSDO with a new 8710 and was issued a full type without any further training events.

Actually it's just a label which is applied to the 121 SIC training you get anyway. The label meets the letter of the ICAO law. For those of us who were FO's when the rule was enacted all we had to do was fill out an 8710 based on our last PC.

Let's not be too dramatic. :) It's likely the 8710 (and the temp. certificate) were filled out properly, and OKC just got it wrong. They're good folks, but they do make mistakes. Happens more often than you'd think. I got a AMES rating added to my ATP when it in fact was a commercial ride. A student took and passed the private rotorcraft helicopter ride (initial); the permanent ticket read ASEL.

Nevertheless and regardless, do as I did - give OKC a call and tell them of the error. They'll send a corrected certificate. IIRC 405-954-3261 .

One interesting thing though - a single pilot type is different than a crew type. I have a C-510S (Citation Mustang) type as a single pilot. I CAN'T legally fly as a flight crew with someone who has a C-510 type unless he/she isn't functioning as a crewmember. Strange huh?

Are you sure about that?
The single pilot types I know of allow you to fly either as crew or single pilot.

Not being dramatic, just being smart. Ok, OKC got it wrong, but you've got to sign the certificate for it to be legal, once again signing it states it's correct. That's all I'm saying. In the end, it's always the pilot's responsibility.

When flying for a 121 carrier does the applicant use IACRA or another method to apply for a certificate? Just curious.

Uses whatever the carrier is set up for. The last rating I got three years ago at an airline job was still a paper 8710. The 142 side job had me put them on my IACRA account almost 4 years ago, I'm still signing 8710s by hand.