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uwhh1977 01-05-2012 04:30 AM

Saab 2000 procedures
 
He guys,

I'm going to start my first rating on Saab 2000 in 6 months. I would like to fly the Saab in advance on my home Sim in order to prepare myself as good as possible. For the 737 one can find lots of tipps around the web such as Pitch&Power tables etc. Does anyone have some tipps for T/O, Cruise, Approach, OEI, ... in terms of power settings and further configurations?

Thx a lot.

flyingreasemnky 01-05-2012 05:27 AM

You won't find any info from the regional section. Regionals only operate the 340 and it is a completely different aircraft. Its like comparing a DC-3 to a DC-9.

saab2000 01-05-2012 05:28 AM

I have several thousand hours of SAAB2000 time from when I flew in Europe. But my last flight on it was over 8 years ago. Not sure I remember much.

It's a pretty easy airplane to fly though. Lot's of electronic help. The engines have FADEC, meaning very easy power management.

I would play around on your computer but don't put too much stock in what you learn from others on the internet. I don't know who the operator is that you work for but I would follow their training program and not something you learn online.

Fastest way to have trouble with your instructors is to say, "Yeah, but someone online told me this is a better way....."

Is this in the US or in Europe? Or somewhere else?

There were only like 56 SAAB2000s ever made and I don't know how many are left flying but they're actually getting up there in years and my buddies in Europe who fly them have said that the remaining ones on the market have had corrosion issues.

Cool airplane, but an orphan and now an old orphan.

uwhh1977 01-05-2012 05:30 AM


Originally Posted by flyingreasemnky (Post 1112255)
You won't find any info from the regional section. Regionals only operate the 340 and it is a completely different aircraft. Its like comparing a DC-3 to a DC-9.

So you recommend to move that thread to another community in order to improve the chance of answers? ;)

flyingreasemnky 01-05-2012 05:38 AM


Originally Posted by uwhh1977 (Post 1112259)
So you recommend to move that thread to another community in order to improve the chance of answers? ;)

Yeah, your best bet would be the corporate section or 135. I know one Saab 2000 is on a 135 certificate but I believe it is only used by the owner as a personal aircraft. It was based in Texas but its 135 certificate is overseen by the ABE (where I ran into it and the chief pilot) FSDO.

saab2000 01-05-2012 05:39 AM


Originally Posted by uwhh1977 (Post 1112259)
So you recommend to move that thread to another community in order to improve the chance of answers? ;)

There are very few SAAB2000 pilots in the entire United States. And this whole forum is kind of US-centric, though obviously not entirely so.

Fact is that no US operator has experience with this airplane, outside of a couple private owners. It was never in airline service in the US or Canada.

I flew them all over Europe for a Swiss operator called Crossair, which took over Swissair to become SWISS International Air Lines.

They got rid of their SAAB2000s in 2004 IIRC.

uwhh1977 01-05-2012 05:51 AM


Originally Posted by saab2000 (Post 1112268)
There are very few SAAB2000 pilots in the entire United States. And this whole forum is kind of US-centric, though obviously not entirely so.

Fact is that no US operator has experience with this airplane, outside of a couple private owners. It was never in airline service in the US or Canada.

I flew them all over Europe for a Swiss operator called Crossair, which took over Swissair to become SWISS International Air Lines.

They got rid of their SAAB2000s in 2004 IIRC.

It's a German operator. (There is only one in Germany ;) )

I just want to play around with the home sim a bit in order to familiarize myself with that aircraft and cockpit. I've never flowm more than a PA44. ;) Some basic speeds, power settings etc. would be great. I have an aircraft for my sim but no checklists, no settings, just the plane.

Of yourse I'll use the procedures of that operator once in training.

saab2000 01-05-2012 06:10 AM

I do not remember the power settings anymore, except that the FADEC used a system of "Power Units" for the reduced power take-off setting.

We flew it as fast as we could as someone had done the math and figured that was the lowest cost way to fly the airplane, at least at that time.

The T/O setting had the propellors at 1100 RPM and the climb and cruise settings at 950 RPM. Honestly, I don't remember much else. It flies like any other airplane though..... Pull back and the houses get smaller. Push forward and they get bigger. Single engine requires a fair amount of rudder, but that's normal for any airplane with two engines not in line with each other......

Sorry I can't be of more help. Enjoy the airplane! And know that anything you learn on your PC will go out the window on the first day of training........

Drinking from a fire hose is what we call it in the US at your first airline job.

Here are a few shots I found on my computer. I loved flying in Europe a lot more than in the US, that's for sure.

Mods: I hope it's OK that I posted a few pics.....

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7155/6...fdbef940_b.jpg
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7164/6...2db5ff26_b.jpg
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7010/6...452c9545_b.jpg

fjetter 01-05-2012 07:20 AM

Here's a link for to a site that has a lot of info and profiles for ya. Most of there stuff is very close to Simuflite/Flight Safety materials. Most importantly follow whatever your instructors are teaching you. Like others have said....not too many of them running around the states. The only ones I've seen are two own by Joe Gibbs Racing for shuttling support personnel for race day.

SmartCockpit - SAAB 2000

saab2000....never seen inside the cockpit of one thanks for the pics, weird seeing a t-prop without prop and condition levers

saab2000 01-05-2012 07:34 AM


Originally Posted by fjetter (Post 1112328)
Here's a link for to a site that has a lot of info and profiles for ya. Most of there stuff is very close to Simuflite/Flight Safety materials. Most importantly follow whatever your instructors are teaching you. Like others have said....not too many of them running around the states. The only ones I've seen are two own by Joe Gibbs Racing for shuttling support personnel for race day.

SmartCockpit - SAAB 2000

saab2000....never seen inside the cockpit of one thanks for the pics, weird seeing a t-prop without prop and condition levers

It has little levers below the throttles that they call 'Condition Levers' but they're really more fuel on/off switches. There's a 'Fuel Cutoff' position, a 'Start' position and a 'Run' position if I remember correctly. Once they're in 'Run' you don't touch them until you're ready to shut down the engine.

This turboprop flies like a jet. You just push forward to go faster and pull them back to go slower. Very simple.


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