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BLEEDBLACKNGOLD 02-19-2012 08:13 AM

I flew with this guy about 4 years ago. He was my FO. He was (and still is) incompetent. You are wasting your breathe blaming alcoholism and are wasting efforts of sympathy. He was the hated guy through the base. He deserves 100% what happened to him. I'm glad it didn't involve passengers or other innocent people.

People get weeded out in this industry if you don't make the cut (1 way or another). I can honestly say I feel no sympathy for him. I sat next to him in the cockpit. It is a shame that clowns like this need to ruin the image of the pilot. Pretty sure the regionals have had it bad enough in the public view lately without having this clown act like a 14 year old idiot. Best of luck

A320 02-19-2012 08:27 AM

I think the issue is if you feel like you cannot control your drinking, just do yourself and everyone else a huge favor and call in sick. Your family, coworkers and customers truly will thank you. Drinking excessively prior to flying shows poor judgement. Showing up for work after excessive drinking shows pure stupidity and lack of respect for everyone.

Iowa Farm Boy 02-19-2012 12:13 PM

Having been involved with the HIMS Program for ten years, I can honestly say that the majority think they're totally in control of their drinking. THEY don't have a problem... As Dr. Lynn Hankes says, "this is the only disease that tells you that you don't have a disease."

Going to the Edge of Current Neuroscience of Addiction (1 of 10) - YouTube

Watch it (and the rest of the presentation)- I know Kevin personally and his is quite a journey.

iceman49 02-19-2012 12:20 PM


Originally Posted by Iowa Farm Boy (Post 1137977)
Having been involved with the HIMS Program for ten years, I can honestly say that the majority think they're totally in control of their drinking. THEY don't have a problem... As Dr. Lynn Hankes says, "this is the only disease that tells you that you don't have a disease."

Going to the Edge of Current Neuroscience of Addiction (1 of 10) - YouTube

Watch it (and the rest of the presentation)- I know Kevin personally and his is quite a journey.

I would agree, I was fortunate to see a presentation by Kevin a few years back, it is well worth the time.

Good article: http://wearealpa.org/SAS/HIMS.pdf

Zoot Suit 02-19-2012 12:39 PM


Originally Posted by Al Czervik (Post 1137762)
It is obvious that the individuals here that understand the disease is a disease are educated about it. Those that don't belive its a disease have little to no information/education on the subject. They are simply tossing out judgement. It's APC though. Carry on.....


Again, please answer what I wrote in post 113.

What part of this "disease" forces someone to get behind the controls of a car or an airplane??????

You want to drink or take drugs, go ahead if you can't help yourself. Convince me that getting dressed and going flying or driving is part of this disease.

JamesNoBrakes 02-19-2012 12:46 PM


Originally Posted by A320 (Post 1137863)
I think the issue is if you feel like you cannot control your drinking, just do yourself and everyone else a huge favor and call in sick. Your family, coworkers and customers truly will thank you. Drinking excessively prior to flying shows poor judgement. Showing up for work after excessive drinking shows pure stupidity and lack of respect for everyone.

If you can't control your drinking, you sure as hell can't decide to "call in sick".

JamesNoBrakes 02-19-2012 12:47 PM


Originally Posted by BLEEDBLACKNGOLD (Post 1137858)
Pretty sure the regionals have had it bad enough in the public view lately without having this clown act like a 14 year old idiot.

Well on the other hand, do regionals attract people that act like 14 year old idiots?

Al Czervik 02-19-2012 01:20 PM


Originally Posted by Zoot Suit (Post 1137985)
Again, please answer what I wrote in post 113.

What part of this "disease" forces someone to get behind the controls of a car or an airplane??????

You want to drink or take drugs, go ahead if you can't help yourself. Convince me that getting dressed and going flying or driving is part of this disease.

Did you watch the video and read the article?

Iowa Farm Boy 02-19-2012 05:49 PM


Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes (Post 1137991)
Well on the other hand, do regionals attract people that at like 14 year old idiots?

I've spent the last ten years recertifying pilots who've had their licenses revoked by the FAA and the majority have been mainline guys. Perhaps it's because Chemical Dependency is a progressive disease (like diabetes); perhaps there are more mainline guys than regional pilots. I guess it doesn't matter. We've all had our "doh" moments (see your spelling/ syntax above), some more spectacular than others.

Now, back under your bridge.

CrakPipeOvrheat 02-19-2012 05:52 PM



Originally Posted by Zoot Suit (Post 1137985)
Again, please answer what I wrote in post 113.

What part of this "disease" forces someone to get behind the controls of a car or an airplane??????

You want to drink or take drugs, go ahead if you can't help yourself. Convince me that getting dressed and going flying or driving is part of this disease.

Did you watch the video and read the article?
If you have ever drank too much you should know that poor decision making is a side effect of drugs and alcohol. Did you goto a commuter college?


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