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USMCFLYR 02-16-2012 02:31 PM
Originally Posted by Windsor (Post 1136218)
No. He Wont. It does not work that way. Once you step foot on the aircraft, you are considered to have intentions of operating the aircraft. If you cross that line impaired, you are toast. You will face criminal charges, the Faa WILL revoke your license and medical, he will be fired, game over. You do not get the chance to enter the program after crossing this line and getting caught.
Originally Posted by clearprop (Post 1136238)
"""""The pilot did make it through the checkpoint and he was met by our police officers near the gate of departure," Martin said.""""

Even though he did not step foot on the aircraft (per the CNN report) his INTENTION was to step foot onto the aircraft. He's toast.
Is there really some point to cross here when you are considered to have the intention to step foot on the aircraft?

It would seem to me that if he got dressed in his uniform, didn't mention his condition, rode in the hotel van to the airport, passed through security, and made it to the gate - - - all of those would count as an 'intention to step foot on the aircraft'.

I'm asking. Would it make a difference if security stopped rather than having made it through to the gate? Maybe the way I'm looking at it - 'intention to step onto the aircraft' was just a poor choice of words - in a legal sense in any matter.

USMCFLYR

clearprop 02-16-2012 02:47 PM
Originally Posted by USMCFLYR (Post 1136254)
Is there really some point to cross here when you are considered to have the intention to step foot on the aircraft?

It would seem to me that if he got dressed in his uniform, didn't mention his condition, rode in the hotel van to the airport, passed through security, and made it to the gate - - - all of those would count as an 'intention to step foot on the aircraft'.

I'm asking. Would it make a difference if security stopped rather than having made it through to the gate? Maybe the way I'm looking at it - 'intention to step onto the aircraft' was just a poor choice of words - in a legal sense in any matter.

USMCFLYR
agreed. I was borrowing words from the previous post. When he awoke, took a ****, put on his uniform and climbed into that van, his flying days were over (if he got caught) Intention to fly began when he straightened his tie. And yes, I am a lawyer. I play one on T.V.

Bolo 02-16-2012 02:49 PM
Originally Posted by echoaviation (Post 1136114)
He deserves a seat in the airbus.
Very Nice! :)

Windsor 02-16-2012 02:51 PM
I'm not a lawyer. I dont speak legalise. What I do know is that if he blew over .04, he's toast. In order to get into hims or a similar rehab program, he would have had to self disclose. You have a very very hard hill to climb if you get caught. Its not impossible. Its been done. But it is very expensive and a very long process.

Bolo 02-16-2012 02:52 PM
Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1136151)
No worries, he'll be thrown into HIMS and ALPA will have his job back pronto...
Wrong union, not ALPA but IBT!
Gangstas to the rescue!

pause 02-16-2012 03:28 PM
Hope she was worth it. DOH!!

Confused 02-16-2012 03:39 PM
I bet the van driver who snitched feels like a hero right now. And don't worry I'm not saying he is a jerk for telling on the suspected drunk pilot or anything, nor am I saying to turn the other cheek.

With this driver being the one who called it in, I bet this week 50 other hotel van drivers wanna be the next hero of the day and call the cops on crews they might suspect so they themselves can feel heroic. Just like TSA screeners love to be the hero who nails the next drunk pilot.

ScaryKite 02-16-2012 03:45 PM
This scenario should be used in every shuttle driver tipping thread for the rest of time. Might have saved his/her career for a dollar.

80ktsClamp 02-16-2012 03:50 PM
Originally Posted by USMCFLYR (Post 1136254)
Is there really some point to cross here when you are considered to have the intention to step foot on the aircraft?

It would seem to me that if he got dressed in his uniform, didn't mention his condition, rode in the hotel van to the airport, passed through security, and made it to the gate - - - all of those would count as an 'intention to step foot on the aircraft'.

I'm asking. Would it make a difference if security stopped rather than having made it through to the gate? Maybe the way I'm looking at it - 'intention to step onto the aircraft' was just a poor choice of words - in a legal sense in any matter.

USMCFLYR
Historically, crossing the threshold of the aircraft is used legally as the declaration of intention to fly... not any of the other mindless speculation from this thread. If you cross the threshold of the aircraft, you have no chance of getting admitted into a HIMS program. Up until that point your career still may be saved.

Iowa Farm Boy 02-16-2012 03:53 PM
Originally Posted by Windsor (Post 1136218)
No. He Wont. It does not work that way. Once you step foot on the aircraft, you are considered to have intentions of operating the aircraft. If you cross that line impaired, you are toast. You will face criminal charges, the Faa WILL revoke your license and medical, he will be fired, game over. You do not get the chance to enter the program after crossing this line and getting caught.
Perhaps not at THAT airline, but at mine and many others, IF he does the right thing and gets help he WILL be back.


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