9E Pass Travel Program Update
 

The message regards the latest pass travel updates for Pinnacle/Colgan, but the only difference noticed is "Corp" now gets both sides of travel on 9E and UAL.

If you work for Pinnacle Airlines, INC., and support DL, you are are eligible for Delta pass travel.

If you work for Colgan Air, Inc., and support United, you are eligible for United pass travel.

If you work for Pinnacle Airlines Corp., you are eligible for the Delta AND United pass travel programs, along with a "2nd friend" to add to your flying benefits.

Was hoping some major announcement like all active employees board before retirees... oh, well...

Active Pinnacle Airlines employees do board before Pinnacle retirees on Pinnacle flights, right?

Before PNCL retirees YES. Before Delta retirees BIG FAT NO. On our OWN planes.


Now this announcement ****es me off.... corporate ****s on us everyday while we get to rot with whatever we have. The 9E guys could have gladly used the 2EF

incorrect. all delta retirees travel as s3b on delta connection and mainline flights. on pinnacle flights we travel as s3. on mainline we travel as s3c. so on pinnacle flights our s3 is above s3b. on mainline flights our s3c is below s3b so they get priority. active mainline employees travel as s3 on both connection and mainline flights. so their s3 gets priority over our s3c on mainline but their priority is the same as ours, s3, on pinnacle flights. at that point it is straight date of hire.

why you gotta spoil Eeyore Jr's rants with facts? :rolleyes:

I can't wait til the day that you are retired from mainline and a 2 year regional guy (insert hair gel skateboard frosted tips ipod joke here)bumps you on mainline after you give 30 plus years of your life to mainline....

If it is it ain't gonna be Pinnacle. Like airsupport noted, your guys' retirees or active come before us. And I'll tell you even more than that... your buddy passes come before my **parents** (as of the latest priority change). How do you like that? Would it also surprise you that I have no buddy passes at all to give while your guys' active give them to half the city creating flights with more buddy pass pax than rev pax?

Let's remind ourselves who are the ones that signed and allowed ALPA and mainline create the beast called the regional.

Also, let's not forget whose kid that is with the spiked hair gel and ipod that got a regional job with 200 hours.

Actually that's not 100% true, Buddy passes and Pinnacle parents are both S4. It really comes down to hire date /date of travel. What you are saying is like one Delta employee comes before another Delta employee. That's true if they have an earlier hire date. I can see where you think buddy pass comes before our parents since our parents use the date of travel as the "hire date" and not our actually hire date that was used in the past.

If mainline has it so much better, just get a job at mainline.

Mainline employees and retirees should always board before
Regional employees if it's a CPA. If u disagree then I'm
Gratefull ur not in business. STFD

Does the delta side passes have a spot for domestic partner? Or registered guest?

The way I see it is, if you don't like the benefits, don't use it. No one force you pay $50 a year to use these "benefits"

You kinda negated yourself so lets just make it simple for everybody including yourself.

DL Employee Buddy Pass Priority = S4 & date of HIRE of EMP.
Pinnacle Parent = S4 & date of TRAVEL.

Buddy pass traveling courtesy of the most junior DL EMP will be before your parents ANY DAY.

Nobody forces you to work for Pinnacle or any other regional either. Nobody forces you to pay taxes either. You do both I bet, and don't like neither.

Not begin forced to do something doesn't make a wrong right. None of us wanted DL employees booted off of planes (hack they are our providers and credit is due where its due), all we wanted was stuff that we had in the past back. As well as the right to come first on our planes, especially in a new world where delta is making us BUY the god damn airframes.

DOM Partner yes. Registered guest NO.

We have employee, spouse, dependents.

Parents who pay surcharges that don't make sense (and travel on a travel date sub priority)... IE BOS-LAX,BOS-SFO,JFK-SFO,JFK-LAX costs 3 times more than LAX-HNL....
explain?

Dom partners have same arrangement as parents I believe but not sure.

No buddy passes at all, no registered friend, no companion, nothing. Need to help your mother in law once in a while to come see you? forget it.

What is it tht you want back? Our parents to have our hire date as oppose to date of travel? Lets look at the old NWA way. Not much has change. We always travled behind NWA retire

NWA Retire = 5R
Pinnacle = 5W (NWA flights)
Our Parents 6P

However I had to pay for EACH TRIP (pre 2007) if I want to Non-Rev plus addtional if I wanted to list for first class. Mainline NWA always travel as 5 just like us on Pinnacle flights, so it comes down to date of hire (That stayed the same). S3 and S3 (on Pinnacle flights). Buddy pass, if you call it that, were we had to travel with our buddy, and the fares is sometimes more than a fares if you bought it onlines The way I see it is this is a step up from what we use to have. The only change I see from what we had before on the Delta side is our parents change to date of travel, however we get 6 international travel days instead of 3. Becareful about how you want what you had in the past. Remember this:

Parent Travel
Parents may now travel unlimited on domestic and international flights at the yield fare rate.
Flight listings for parents can be created through TravelNet. The yield fare averages from $0.02
to $0.04 per mile plus applicable taxes.

At one point our parents couldn't even travel on Delta, until this was changed in 2010. I didn't hear you complain about this was "change" and you want what you had in the past back.

I've taken the advice from above... I don't nonrev anymore on DL. My parents haven't bothered trying to nonrev since 2010. I pay the $50 so I can fly overseas, but domestically I rather JS on Virgin or Jetblue.

You completely missed the point. You want priority as a regional pilot(as some others do) over DL retirees on DL planes and 9e planes. All I'm saying is how quickly your attitudes will change once you are the retiree. It's all about me me me with you.
Plus what's with all the "you guys" references? I don't work at Delta. I'm allowed to believe in a pro-mainline priority and without thinking the world revolves around me.

And who's kid is it? sure wasn't mine they can't even poop in a toilet yet...

way to be condescending as usual...

Same here, I got fed up with getting bumped by Delta/NWA retirees and watching my parents not making it on Delta flights. It's very rare that I non-rev on Delta. It doesn't do any good to whine about it like a little kid on a message board. Like you, I still pay the $50 incase I want to travel international. It's Delta's airplanes and seats, so they get to make the rules and do what they want.

Really? even the airlines don't know why the prices change or certain charges. I pulled up a price online from NWA, it was $780 to go from SEA to MSP. For $180 you can get on Alaska Air from SEA to LAX and NWA to MSP.

I got tired of being bumped by a Delta gate agent ready-reserve's stepchild going on a joyride, while I'm trying to get to work.

Nonrev benefits perfectly illustrate how much respect Delta corporate feels for the regional employees who service the bulk of their pax. I try to return that respect to Delta in as many ways possible.

Try JFK-SFO about 0.0715c/mile. Thats about twice of that average you mention and Delta claims.

I did. Only instead of coming to this or our very own bboard I wrote to our directors. Did it help? No. But you couldn't accuse me of not trying or voicing my concern.



As for what I'd like. I'd like comparable benefits as other regionals get. I'd like buddy passes (16 OW or 8RT). I'd like my parents to travel for free just as they would if I worked for a different regional.

Most of all, I'd like them to be on a priority thats comparable to other places and does not come after every single buddy pass. BTW, thats 'industry standard' and has been for the past 30 years of aviation.

As an aside, I'd like you to note that some routes delta offers our parents at 'yield fare' are more expensive than buying a ZED on a different carrier.

In 30 years of american airline industry, this is a new. On your 'own airline' (yes that includes subsidiaries) you pay more than on a different airline. Please note I'm talking benefits here... not our yield fares vs buying a ticket on the market.

I did? Where did I say I wanted equal priority over retirees on DL planes? Look my post up, you'll see it mentions getting better priority on our OWN planes, especially the ones we bought with our own money.

It ain't mine either. But when you talk about condescending, please reference your own initial post mocking regional pilots. I can't tell you how many DL pilots I've seen recently with those same backpacks, iPads, earphones while in uniform.

Don't accuse a group and call me condescending for shooting right back at a different group.

hey genious I am a regional pilot at your own company. And if you look at my post it was obviously because I knew someone would come along and say those things as always happens on here, I wasn't the one accusing regional pilots of all those things. Sarcasm....look it up and enjoy life a little more....:rolleyes: If it was not a joke i would not have put [insert regional pilot joke i.e. backpacks here]. I would have flat out said "you regional spiked hair highlighted guys of which I am a member of do not deserve to be ahead of me." Comprende?

As to the retirement priority issue, my bad you didn't say that I thought that you were one of the ones that used to whine in the crewroom and on the airlinkpilots website about DL retirees bumping you on DL equipment and I misinterpreted the tone of your post. My apologies.

Not really (at least for me) I want to see those ACTIVELY generating the revenue to keep the company/benefits coming get to/from work ahead of my (hopefully someday) retired giezer ass with nothing better to do. For the record I don't (and probably would quit before having to for Pinnacle) commute and even at that I still think it's poor form for a CURRENTLY working employee generating revenue for the company, reguardless of if it is mainline or connection. Yes I absolutely agree that mainline should get priority on Delta flights but why should a retiree's kids traveling without the employee get priority over me, who is actively working, generating revenue for Delta? Heck most of the time those kids did NOTHING for Delta yet go ahead of me, trying to get home to work. I could probably be talked into dependants traveling with the retiree going first on their own flights, but ahead of me on my flight without the retiree even with them... FAIL!

I think you mean Delta Employee's kids? I don't think Retiree's kids gets benefits unless it's on a buddy pass, who goes below us. I'm not saying I agree with what Delta is doing but I'll use your example. What about my kids and my spouse? Since they are not generating any revenue for Delta. Would you be mad if your whole family got split up and your kids or spouse didn't get on, however you did since you are S3C however there's a lot of Compass, Skywest, ASA Go Jets bump the rest of your family, since you say they not generating revenue. I know it sucks that we get bumped when some retirees who wants to go on a mini vacation while you're trying to get home or work. Where should our spouse or kids stand since they are not generating revenue for Delta. Should they go below us active employees or keep it the same. If we keep it the same as us, shouldn't Delta's spouse or kids be the same as the active employees too?

In almost all of your examples the family members are going to be the last people to get on the plane no matter what. I'm not sure what your point is? Why would anyone be mad if their family traveling for fun didn't get on because of a pilot commuting to/from work? The point is simple, why would Delta risk revenue from a cancelled flight because a pilot can't get to work which resulted from non-revs trying to get to ATL to catch their flight to Cancun?

Likewise. I was too quick to jump the gun.

I am just fed up with the usual accusations coming from our mainline partners acting as if they represent everything that's holly.

You're right. Who am I to act like I represent that beautiful family of flowering plants?

http://www.flowersociety.org/images/holly-berry.jpg

Yes I meant DL kids. And yes they have priority over us. I was bumped off a number of flights trying to get home (yes with my wife) by a retirees kids NOT traveling with the retiree. I don't have an issue IF the retiree is with them just as I would expect my wife to travel at my priority IF I am with her. When I sent her to see her mother by herself, no I wouldn't expect the same priority level (though still higher than mainline since I sent her on one of my company's planes) I think it should be just like with buddy passes where if they were traveling WITH the employee they had the employees priority. If they traveled WITHOUT the employee, well good luck getting anywhere, back of the line they go. Same for non employees. With the worker, same priority, without, back of the line.

Sorry for the minor thread hijack.

What is the 9E Pilot Forum web site again? The one that started up, again, about 3 months ago.

Thanks!

With the new United Express travel benifits do you get a travel companion( say your wife) as well as a second buddy? Was told this but hadn't had it confirmed yet.

Yes, you can have a second enrolled friend (EF2) but will not get any buddy passes plus you will have to pay a service charge every time they use the benefits on top of the yearly charge.

If i choose the buddy passes how many of those so you get?

Just looked at the Pass Travel website and it looks like we are losing buddy passes completely.

Companion passes

The new United pass program does not have companion passes (buddy passes). All companion pass riders must complete travel by March 2, 2012. If travel is not completed the companion pass rider must find alternate transportation. The new United program will not have a way to over ride any companion pass rider that gets stuck or can not complete their travel plans.