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Laxrox43 03-14-2012 07:42 PM

I was in new-hire training with Clay. Every class has "that guy" in their class, and Clay was it.


...Told me personally he had a Falcon (can't remember the exact one) type rating with an ATP and 4,000 hrs T-PIC. I walked away after that.
I can add to this one. He told me that he had 7,000 hours and 4,000 PIC time in a Falcon 10. For the amount of time (years) that he said he had been flying, it seemed physically impossible to have that much flight time. I then asked him if he was type rated on the DA10 to which his reply was "You don't need a type to fly the 10 as Captain." I told him he was an idiot and walked away.

mike734 03-14-2012 07:50 PM


Originally Posted by BlueMoon (Post 1152035)
He may have been within his right to attempt a citizens a arrest, but even a real officer would have problems if he was off duty, rolled up on a car, and ordered the driver out at gunpoint for allegedly swerving.

Agreed except like I said, if he had captured a serial killer he would have been a hero. As we know, he tried to capture a swerving driver. He's an idiot. (IMO from what we know so far). I don't see him being disqualified as a pilot for this incident however.

jungle 03-14-2012 07:52 PM


Originally Posted by mike734 (Post 1152009)
Secondly, anyone can make a citizens arrest. The jerk off pilot was within his rights to make the traffic stop. Of course, when the real cops showed up, they let the other guy go and questioned the pilot. Obviously he misjudged the importance of "arresting" the driver. Something tells me he often makes misjudgements. However, if the guy he pulled over had a kid in the trunk and he saved a life, he would have been a hero.
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Uh, no, in fact the pilot commited at least two felonies in this case, impersonating an officer in jurisdiction and pointing a gun along with a threat.
Trying to make a citizens arrest for traffic violations while waving a weapon around is a good way to get shot and or jailed.


Florida for example:



Jurisdiction
An officer arresting someone outside of the officer's normal jurisdiction is considered a "citizen's arrest." for example, if a Fort Lauderdale police officer, on vacation in Boca Raton, was to make an arrest, it is considered a "citizen's arrest" regardless of the fact that the person is actually a police officer. It makes no difference.

Arrest
When someone has the reasonable suspicion that a felony has been committed, a citizen's arrest might be made. The arrest is no different than any other police arrest. All relevant laws apply. Excessive force cannot be used, for example. But the general concept is that any citizen has the right to stop another who has committed a felony.

Local Enforcement
Once the arrest is made, the citizen must call the police chief of the locality in which the arrest was made. That officer then arrives at the scene--or sends a deputy--that will then read the Miranda rights and go through the other niceties of the arresting process. The local jurisdiction is responsible for any irregularities in the arresting process of the citizen in the later trial. This is to say that, a civilian, making an arrest, is treated by the courts like a trained police officer and is responsible or the same code of conduct. The implication of the law here is that all citizen's, when making an arrest under the proper circumstances of reasonable suspicion, have both the rights and duties of a police officer.

Trial
Both the arresting officer or civilian and the responding local officer then both must appear at the court trial of the defendant in the county within which the arrest was made. The judge, so it is implied, will then question the civilian on the nature of the arrest.



Read more: Florida Citizen's Arrest Laws | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/list_7258531_flo...#ixzz1p9ajneV2

KingBird50 03-14-2012 08:00 PM


Originally Posted by tim123 (Post 1151926)
Hey kingbird, do you still think it's slander and APC is slanted? I think you owe APC an apology.

he does not work for Gojet so no

coryk 03-14-2012 08:02 PM

Heard from a check-airmen friend of mine that he was fired from GoJet for failing a drug test.

Hmm.

Luv2Rotate 03-14-2012 08:18 PM


Originally Posted by mike734 (Post 1152047)
I don't see him being disqualified as a pilot for this incident however.

Ask Timmah Martins about this...
It's O-V-E-R unless he goes to C5

Gray 03-14-2012 08:24 PM

I agree with the above. Not to belittle the importance of and FFDO, but the scope of their authority as a Federal OFFICER is limited to theor duties when operating the flight.
And if anyone thinks that citizens have the right to make traffic stops AT GUNPOINT just because you've seen a vehicle swerving, is dead wrong, retarded, or both. Putting yourself in a situation like Clay did is incredibly wreckless behavior. What should an average citizen or even an FFDO do in this situation? Humm... Maybe get the plate number, follow the car, and call the police to report what's going on if you really think the driver is placing others in immediate danger.
If anyone thinks that what this guy did was reasonable and prudent at the time, you need to grow up. Stop watching Hollywood cop shows and please don't ever carry a firearm.

Fishfreighter 03-14-2012 08:24 PM


Originally Posted by mooney (Post 1151880)
dude if you're gonna plagiarize me at least put me in a footnote!

Sorry, great minds must think alike!

Window_Seat 03-14-2012 08:32 PM

Why would any airline want this guy even before this "incident"? Getting let go from Colgan, fired from FBO's, and Gojets still wants this guy. Guess they can't find qualified people.

USMCFLYR 03-14-2012 09:06 PM


Originally Posted by KingBird50 (Post 1152052)
he does not work for Gojet so no

So you are in fact saying that he did not work for GoJet at the time of the incident or you are saying that he does not PRESENTLY work for GoJet?

USMCFLYR


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