It's a Trap!!! Don't fall for it...
 

...this Republic bait and switch from the snake oil salesman himself with FO pay increases to spark hiring BS.

First off, yes is a violation to the status qou... and no, we can not do anything about it. If they want to pay us more they can.

While reading on keep in mind this is the management team that reportedly sat down in a recent negotiation session, with a serious face mind you, and offered a FO pay scale of Compass - yes minus , 2 with no wage increase for captains and explaining that we will be the best paid pilots in the industry 5 years from now. No offense to Compass pilots, I am just trying to be clear about how this backwoods operation thinks.

So, here's is the thing... To a 36.62 club member (most of us), "more" equates to about $80 a month, yes a dollar an hour. Loose one turn due to weather or maintenance and you loose your dollar. It's really only first year pilots that got a bump and you'll still make more at Piedmont flying an airplane with half the seats in it. No, its not a shiny new jet but trust me when I say that wears off about as quick as the warm fuzzy feeling you have just before your first interaction with crew scheduling.

You can also enjoy a year on reserve in god knows what base that will most likely reduce it's staffing shortly after you can hold a line and have just moved your family there. At which point, you guessed it Johny, back on reserve. They won't actually push you out because that would mean that they would have to pay you to move to a new base but once it sucks bad enough long enough you'll look at other bases you can hold a line at... mover beware. (see Airwhisky closing RDU)

Moving on...Once this Frontier stain is finally off the shorts of RAH and we return to profitable (yes both will happen) you can anticipate Denver and maybe Kansas City closing as there will be no more Frontier. (side note...there is still, for no good reason, some Airways flying out of KC).

Regardless at that point the 190's and all of its options will be sold back to what will most likely become American Airways along with the 60 Airbus Neo positions. That pipe dream C Series, those options and will be sold to someone mostly likely overseas at which time you will also see massive reduction amongst the pilot group here at RAH. (American Airways won't be hiring because they fixed there attrition problem by combining and downsizing) Point being the Attrition here due to people getting better jobs will slow as well.

The pay rates will return to their present state of embarrassing, the share holder will enjoy his profits and Brian will enjoy his pool, tennis court and indoor Basketball/Racketball court all well basking in Gods light.

Now I don't mean to paint a negative picture here ;) but to you new fellas... find a better gig, trust me when I say, one exists.

Apparently you don't realize that even with the crap the company does to you, it's still a better place than a few other places. You've probably never been anywhere else and just hear from word of mouth from other pilots that hate their job too. I understand this company and it's contract need a lot of work. Just understand that this mudslide of a company you work for is actually a little bit more stable than a few other places.

Jesus Chrysler people, learn how to spell lose.

You are a trashy little company, get back to work slave !!!

What's the problem? It's a loose turn, they just need to tighten it up, then all will be fine, they have nothing to lose.

If I'm not mistaken, the OP worked for MAG/Mesa/Air Midwest. Although I could be wrong about that.

If that's the case, you may be mistaken as to his background and where he's been. As well as what he may have seen in his past as far as how management runs things.

If I'm wrong about the OP, oh well........

If the OP is than they didn't come from Mesa. The grass is a lot greener at RAH.

Thank you!

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Another classic case of the senior folks trying to screw the junior folks. Republic is offering to increase pay to RJ FO's (who are the most underpaid in the industry) without taking anything away from the senior pilots, and the senior pilots are trying to fight it???:mad:

Next time someone complains about how low RJ FO's are paid, you have no one to blame but yourself.

Im VERY glad you dont work for RAH. Im one of those junior guys that would get a raise and im completely against it. Agreeing to this raise would take all leverage away from the nc. It would essentially stop negotiations as this is the company's only motivation at the moment. Im way more interested in a new contract with cx pay, rigs, reserve rules, min day, etc. A few extra dollars does not compare to the raise we'd get with soft pay on a new contract. Thinking this is a nice gesture by the company is naive at best. Ill make a little extra money in the short term, but ill lose a whole lot more long term.

I don't have a dog in the fight, but looking at the bigger picture, it is obvious that RAH management is increasing pay (skewed for the first few years) to attract new hires because they are not showing up for class! The pilots union is trying to use this as leverage, if they allow the company to just make small changes to the contract here and there to fit their desires then you will never see a contract, 5 dollars an hour is a large amount of money, we are talking somewhere between 350 & 500 dollars a month, and we are talking and increase of over 20% in pay. But having those rates locked in on the contract is worth more than this! With AMR looking to "diversify" their feed, your management will be pressed to have agreement in place and be able to show they can staff the airline, now if Eagle gives the boot to a few 100's then RAH shouldn't have an issue getting a few 100's pilots, but this is leverage that the union can use!

So let me get this straight. You don't want Republic to raise FO pay when it doesn't cost other pilots anything... You want to wait for negotiations where Republic will say in order to increase FO pay (which we have to do), we must get that money from somewhere else, like Captain pay? Remember that a contract is only worth so much money. How that pie of money is divided is a game of give and take.

I just don't understand your line of reasoning. Take the free money while you can.

Thats a thing of the past. The company is just over a year away from needing all their FOs to have an atp. Bringing under qualified candidates in will only hurt the company at this point. Any other bright ideas you want to throw out there?

This is not free money. Ill lose money in the long run over this. You just arent capable of seeing the big picture here. No point in trying to explain it again.

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Read and heed guys! There is a great wealth of factual information of life here at RAH. The only thing I would add is the fact that this company has furloughd pilots three out of the previous four consecutive years. They ONLY reason there were no 'imposed' furloughs in 2011 was due to the pilot group taking voluntary furloughs, if only to escape this place for a few months. Be prepared to be treated like seasonal migrant workers here as displacements are a frequent and regular occurance as well as sitting reserve away from your base/domicile. If you can afford to be furloughd in the fall and work in the spring and summer, then this place is for you! Please gather as much information as possible before quitting a paying job to come here. Best of luck everybody.

Actually, they are taking away from the senior pilots, and every other RAH pilot.

I'll repeat the last 5 posts in a simple fashion:

• Company needs to entice new pilots, and company is negotiating with pilot union.
• Company has two choices: 1) Offer bonus to get new pilots (illegal) or 2) negotiate better contract with union (legal).
• If the company chooses 1, they are in no rush to accomplish 2. All pilots lose.

Does that help explain it?

Please don't compare Compass to a trashy place like RAH. You just embarrass yourself in the process.

Hilarious. Compass is just the next in a long line of regionals to come along thinking they are somehow different and better than the rest. Just wait until you enter heated negotiations with hulas. Youll sound exactly like we do now. You're no different.

Obviously you have no idea what is happening. The Senior guys aren't trying to keep the junior guys from getting a raise. EVERY PILOT AT RAH is saying HELL NO to this. Junior, Senior, and everyone in between. Since you have no dog in this fight, and since you obviously don't know what is happening here, why not just butt out?

so we have been talking for years about how higher requirements (ie: the atp) would push companies, especially regionals to raise pay for those entering and then eventually those above them and now you guys are complaining about the first step?

Pinnacle canceled its march first officer class because it couldn't fill it. They couldnt fill it because like you guys said they need people who will have atp mins by august of next year and so does every other company. So good pilots with those times now have their pick of the litter.

The company NEEDS something inorder to business. They NEED to increase FO pay to hire ne people. So this is the first step. Compensation and work rules will come for the rest of the pilot group.

This is just the first step.

I thought Pinnacle cancelled classes because they are days away from bankruptcy and a possible 50 aircraft fleet reduction. Regarding raising FO rates, can you confirm that you have read the whole thread?

I can absolutely confirm I have read the whole thread.

Pinnacle was filling classes months in advance. They started having people pull out during the wait because some other job came up. If they decided to bail because of a perceived situation on the horizon that is just more proof that those aplicants have their pick of the litter.

When is Pinnacle's next new hire class? Back to a beautiful St. Patty's day! :cool:

Wrong, the first step and ONLY acceptable step is for RAH to step up after 5 years of nothing and sign a contract.

Anyone who doesn't understand why it would be a poor decision to accept this offer from buttford really needs to have a remedial RLA lesson.

Word is no new hire classes UFN. I've heard 3-6 months. But if they declare BK who knows then.

Take the money and run!!!! In the short term, the very underpaid will get some relief. In the long term, it will NOT effect your negotiations in the least bit. Mismanagement will drag their feet until someone puts a gun to their heads to a contract done.
I am speaking from prior experience at 9E where they tried the same thing. At the time I was dead set against it even though I would have gotten the raise. Looking back at it now, I should have taken the money and ran. Forcing 3 more years of poverty wages did nothing to speed the process of the contract and people were still lining up to take our low paying jobs.

As a RAH FO I will say, all FOs will take the money, we don't have a choice, but the smart ones will put it to the side so that when the Union / Pilots sues or gets released to strike. We will do this so it won't hurt the wallet quite as much when the company has to take it back. This is an obvious illegal sham forced upon us by the company to try and circumvent the negotiations. Its not any more legal than if they had taken money from our checks. I haven't talked to one of our pilots that thinks any different. If pilots will just say away for a little while longer all this will be worked out by new contract. For now, do all RAH and "regional pilots" in general a favor and say away for a bit. Most of us here would rather see the place burn than not have a real industry leading contract as management has been burning us for years. 99.9 % of us were ready to walk years ago. Give us some time to get the leading contract we ALL need and that other regionals will work off of to "lead" in the future. We are all pilots and short of a national list we can only try and unite together whichever company you work or want to work for to get the best for everyone. We must ALL try and recapture some of what Mgmt and the Senior pilots of the late 80s through 90s have done to us. Rant over.....Over.

You are right xjtguy. I was in his new hire class at AMW and he has in fact seen worse than RAH. I almost left aviation back in those days due to the constant abuse by scheduling.

Heres to hoping RAH pilots can hold out and get a great contract that will make all this a distant memory.