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Beechlover 03-18-2012 06:50 AM

Pilots interested in working at RAH
 
If you plan to work at a Republic Airways Holdings carrier, this will include Chautauqua, Republic, and Shuttle Airlines that all operate under the same (expired in 2007) contract and same payscale/work rules under one seniority list. To those interested in working here, the link below will give you another tool to use in making your decision to come here. Just trying to keep this topic visible to those who may be doing the job hunt. Doesn't help me to dissuade folks, but from one pilot to another, you should know what your getting yourself into if you decide to come here.

http://rahcontractnow.org/

Read and heed guys! There is a great wealth of factual information of life here at RAH. The only thing I would add is the fact that this company has furloughd pilots three out of the previous four consecutive years. The ONLY reason there were no 'imposed' furloughs in 2011 was due to the pilot group taking voluntary furloughs, if only to escape this place for a few months. Be prepared to be treated like seasonal migrant workers here as displacements are a frequent and regular occurance as well as sitting reserve away from your base/domicile. If you can afford to be furloughd in the fall and work in the spring and summer, then this place is for you! Please gather as much information as possible before quitting a paying job to come here.

Best of luck everybody!!!

UCLAbruins 03-18-2012 10:57 AM


Originally Posted by Beechlover (Post 1153720)
To those interested in working here, the link below will give you another tool to use in making your decision to come here. Just trying to keep this topic visible to those who may be doing the job hunt. Doesn't help me to dissuade folks, but from one pilot to another, you should know what your getting yourself into if you decide to come here.

!!

Keep in mind that this thead is directed at very low time guys, flight instructors, check-runners, etc... these guys don't care about contracts, QOL, or pay... they see RAH as a stepping stone, nothing else. For them an ERJ170 is like a 777.

Believe me when I tell you that nothing you say will dissuade them, they'd take the first job that's tossed their way, specially if it involves jets. No way in hell a CFI or check-runner would even consider turning down RAH.

AirbornPegasus 03-18-2012 12:58 PM

I agree with UCLAbruins, most any Flight Instructor who has been grinding out hours for a couple of years will still jump at the chance to get in an E 170, no matter how many warnings they get. However, if even one changes his mind and goes elsewhere, this new webpage was worth the author's effort. BTW - I hear the management at RAH has seen the site and is furious!

While I personally believe the Flying Circus Ringmasters will cave within the last minute before a strike, the website brings to light an incredible challenge all of the RAH new hires may face. I don't think they have Union Representation during their first year over there, during their probation period. If so, they will be threatened with termination or -- they can be a true "scab" if the strike happens. (However, I am not certain were they would get a Captain). Either way, their resume is darkened, perhaps for life. This would be the point that would send me in another direction or I would just sit it out until a new contract is achieved.

All things considered, I do believe the countdown to a strike or a new contract has begun. Good luck to all pilots involved. Our collective future will be influenced by your actions and they will be remembered for years to come.

Oskeewowow 03-18-2012 01:03 PM


Originally Posted by UCLAbruins (Post 1153815)

Believe me when I tell you that nothing you say will dissuade them, they'd take the first job that's tossed their way, specially if it involves jets. No way in hell a CFI or check-runner would even consider turning down RAH.

I was hired by RAH in late 2007 after instructing for two years. I did a fair amount of research before applying to the regionals. I had three top choices. At the time, the growth level at RAH convinced me to accept their offer.

If this website existed in 2007, I wouldn't have considered RAH. Other good regionals are hiring. There's no need to come to RAH unless you are desperate.

Beechlover 03-18-2012 05:13 PM

It's a sad fact in this industry that the folks being hired where we're at.., came from a company whose pay and work rules (if any) were vastly worse than the sweatshop airlines we currently occupy. We all came from CFIing, Single Pilot IFR Freight, Furlough, you name it. I don't judge anyone who after learning all they can about the many (regional) choices available to them, and the working conditions here, still (for what ever reason) desire to work at RAH. But I do know that if I were looking at several regionals as a job seeker, I most certainly would appreciate any and all available information so I could make an informed decision. So it's in that light that I make a point to educate. Everybody has to do whats right for themselves and their families and no one here is going to judge them. Everyone I've flown with these past four years has been terrific!

This airline is most certainly not deserving of the professionals that tolerate it's many abuses and still manage to do a great job! We make the best of it and still manage to have a good time. To all who decide to join our disfunctional little circus please know you'll receive a warm welcome, not by company management, but by the folks you'll be working and flying with! Good Luck!

SharkyBN584 03-18-2012 06:15 PM

According to this website, the last time I logged in was over a year ago. That's because after 10 years in the aviation industry I gave up flying (and aviation) altogether after spending 4.5 years at RAH...

I feel bad for anyone stuck there who got hired after 2007. That place is god awful. The line pilots are great, but that's about it. Having done nothing but fly for so long, it was definitely a tough decision, especially considering the economy and how worthless an Aviation Management degree is. By the grace of god I got out into a job making more money where I'm home every night, off every weekend, and have the opportunity to make more than any Captain at any Legacy ever will. I no longer have to worry about whether my job will exist tomorrow, I don't have to worry about missing my ride home or getting stuck in some BS midwestern city. I miss the flying, for sure...but I can fly anytime I want to. Getting to go higher and faster than most people ain't worth the abuse.

Besides - it's not like there's any really good jobs at the Legacy's anymore anyways. The previous generation made sure to negotiate that away in the 1990's and early 2000's. Frankly...I'm thrilled to be done with the whole thing.

USMCFLYR 03-18-2012 07:00 PM


Originally Posted by SharkyBN584 (Post 1154002)
According to this website, the last time I logged in was over a year ago. That's because after 10 years in the aviation industry I gave up flying (and aviation) altogether after spending 4.5 years at RAH...

I feel bad for anyone stuck there who got hired after 2007. That place is god awful. The line pilots are great, but that's about it. Having done nothing but fly for so long, it was definitely a tough decision, especially considering the economy and how worthless an Aviation Management degree is. By the grace of god I got out into a job making more money where I'm home every night, off every weekend, and have the opportunity to make more than any Captain at any Legacy ever will. I no longer have to worry about whether my job will exist tomorrow, I don't have to worry about missing my ride home or getting stuck in some BS midwestern city. I miss the flying, for sure...but I can fly anytime I want to. Getting to go higher and faster than most people ain't worth the abuse.

So you are no longer a ERJ FO, you make well into 6 figures, and you're an undertaker?

I'm just reading your tagline in your user profile, the "make more than any Captain at any legacy ever will" is a pretty broad stroke, and in these days there are very few jobs that are so safe that you don't have to worry about the job existing tomorrow (remember that old saying about dying and paying taxes - and there has to be a country with a gov't to pay taxes! That leaves dying :()

It sounds like you like your job. Congrats!
What do you do now and is there room for others?
There are a lot of disgruntled people on this site that would like to follow you out of the industry.

USMCFLYR

SD3Dog 03-18-2012 07:08 PM

Odds are any new pilots will be on the Chq certificate anyway. You don't get a choice they put you where they want. The point is, do yourself a favor and DON"T come here right now. It does suck as bad as they say. Wait for the new contract. Don't fall for the "so called" raise that may or may not be required to be returned if the union and pilots have their way. We don't want a sham raise without a real contract and a legal raise that includes many things including "soft money" and work rules! Help us as pilots help all pilots. Help by staying away for a while. After a contract you will be welcomed abaord with open arms!

HotMamaPilot 03-19-2012 03:26 AM


Originally Posted by SharkyBN584 (Post 1154002)
According to this website, the last time I logged in was over a year ago. That's because after 10 years in the aviation industry I gave up flying (and aviation) altogether after spending 4.5 years at RAH...

I feel bad for anyone stuck there who got hired after 2007. That place is god awful. The line pilots are great, but that's shout it. Having done nothing but fly for so long, it was definitely a tough decision, especially considering the economy and how worthless an Aviation Management degree is. By the grace of god I got out into a job making more money where I'm home every night, off every weekend, and have the opportunity to make more than any Captain at any Legacy ever will. I no longer have to worry about whether my job will exist tomorrow, I don't have to worry about missing my ride home or getting stuck in some BS midwestern city. I miss the flying, for sure...but I can fly anytime I want to. Getting to go higher and faster than most people ain't worth the abuse.

Besides - it's not like there's any really good jobs at the Legacy's anymore anyways. The previous generation made sure to negotiate that away in the 1990's and early 2000's. Frankly...I'm thrilled to be done with the whole thing.

With the twice exception of not capitalizing God, your post was spot on with regards to this industry and the delusion that newbies have of the "legacy" carriers. The glory is gone and ain't(yes it IS a word) coming back. eg, I make more at my longevity as an fo than a captain does at DL for similar equip. This is not a shot at anyone as I am just stating a fact. Take heed all those sjs folks who still think that there is a pot of gold waiting for you. Fwiw, I don't expect my current pay to last either.

CANAM 03-19-2012 04:12 AM


Originally Posted by USMCFLYR (Post 1154029)
So you are no longer a ERJ FO, you make well into 6 figures, and you're an undertaker?

$100,000 is nothing nowadays. My friend who drives the truck for the phone company makes over $100,000. With OT, he grossed $120,000 last year.


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