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121isnofun 03-25-2012 12:37 PM

Eagle dumps SJU...
 
"Hey Mav, do you still have the name of that truck driving school? Truck Master, I think it is."

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N927EV 03-25-2012 01:01 PM

I like how all us pilots found out from AFA. Thanks again, ALPA! :rolleyes:

Avroman 03-25-2012 01:21 PM

We found out about the Mesaba Saabs going away by newspaper article of one of the discontinued cities first. Try that for communications.

love2av8 03-25-2012 01:42 PM

The memo that was released by their union had not been approved by the company. We still have not received formal notification from the company. So far Dallas ATR's have ceased operation and Miami is spooling down from now until November. There has been no word on when SJU is spooling down at this point. The company is also trying to resurrect our old turboprop pay scale for fewer seats and expanding the number of seats on the existing pay scale. So who knows what their real plans are, Eagles fleet plan is Super Top Secret NDA at the moment so we have no idea what they are up to.

N927EV 03-25-2012 02:27 PM


Originally Posted by love2av8 (Post 1157816)
The memo that was released by their union had not been approved by the company. We still have not received formal notification from the company. So far Dallas ATR's have ceased operation and Miami is spooling down from now until November. There has been no word on when SJU is spooling down at this point. The company is also trying to resurrect our old turboprop pay scale for fewer seats and expanding the number of seats on the existing pay scale. So who knows what their real plans are, Eagles fleet plan is Super Top Secret NDA at the moment so we have no idea what they are up to.

Yup! The union knows, but can't tell us.

DashDriverYV 03-25-2012 04:14 PM

Well they could tell you but they'd have kill you.

Laxrox43 03-25-2012 06:00 PM


We found out about the Mesaba Saabs going away by newspaper article of one of the discontinued cities first. Try that for communications.
Wow...me too! (on the Colgan side) It's sad that we find this crap out before our company decides to share handy dandy information like this...

buddies8 03-25-2012 09:31 PM


Originally Posted by DashDriverYV (Post 1157890)
Well they could tell you but they'd have kill you.


i prefer tell us and them commit suicide.

jayray 03-26-2012 08:00 AM


Originally Posted by Laxrox43 (Post 1157950)
Wow...me too! (on the Colgan side) It's sad that we find this crap out before our company decides to share handy dandy information like this...

They don't care, that is why they don't give us information. They don't care that you have a house and a family and you are now going to be uprooted by their decisions. We are an inconvenience to them and nothing more than a number.

Wingtips 03-26-2012 08:03 AM

didnt you know that commuting is a life style choice!

CrippleHawk 03-26-2012 08:07 AM

Sad I have a friend who took a job at SJU (A&P Mechanic). I wish him and the employees at AE the best.

PilotJ3 03-26-2012 07:13 PM

It's all in the news in Puerto Rico, so Alpa NDA had been revealed! Someone will get shot at night... lol!

buddies8 03-26-2012 08:01 PM

NDA is for loser's. Shoot them

eaglefly 03-27-2012 05:52 AM


Originally Posted by love2av8 (Post 1157816)
The memo that was released by their union had not been approved by the company. We still have not received formal notification from the company. So far Dallas ATR's have ceased operation and Miami is spooling down from now until November. There has been no word on when SJU is spooling down at this point. The company is also trying to resurrect our old turboprop pay scale for fewer seats and expanding the number of seats on the existing pay scale. So who knows what their real plans are, Eagles fleet plan is Super Top Secret NDA at the moment so we have no idea what they are up to.

I'll bet the company didn't want this out too early as now many employees there will start looking for work elsewhere and too early for them. I wouldn't expect pilot furlough announcements at AA or Eagle until the last minute for the same reason. Companies in these situations want attrition at times and rates that work best for them and thus employee trimming plans are usually kept quiet till the last minute.

Eagle fleet planning wise, I'd expect more CRJ-700's, new E-175's and Q400 turboprops. I think Eagle will be smaller then it is now by at least 1/3 and possibly half allowing other carriers to bid for and obtain some of that feed. Unfortunately, as Eagle's RJ's expand in size, it allows no growth at AA and thus there will likely be no Eagle pilot attrition from the top, so the "238" group won't be going anywhere for quite a while, let alone the "824". Any Eagle pilot attrition needs will thus likley be by normal means, furloughs or possible transfers to other carrier(s) that will also do Eagle feed and need pilots. I understand Eagle ALPA tossed Eagle pilot seniority rights should flying transfer occur in the scrap bucket so as to make AMR's ability to transfer that flying easier for another carrier to digest as there won't be any seniority squabbles with their pilots.

AMR has already stated the AA aircraft order that goes through 2018 is for replacement only and thus no expansion at AA. The claims of "20%" increase in flying at AA will just be done as a result of PBS that will allow AA to do more flying with the same number of pilots and planes, just everyone working more. All in all, not a good scenario going forward and again, expect little or no advance warning, unless of course someone "leaks" something like in this apparent instance.

What 03-27-2012 06:03 AM


Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 1158546)
The claims of "20%" increase in flying at AA will just be done as a result of PBS that will allow AA to do more flying with the same number of pilots and planes, just everyone working more. All in all, not a good scenario going forward and again, expect little or no advance warning, unless of course someone "leaks" something like in this apparent instance.

I don't quite agree with the statement above, PBS will allow less pilots to do the same flying! I don't see how PBS would allow AMR to increase block hrs by 20%, it might increase pilot productivity by that much but not flying! If we were to say that, we would be stating that currently AMR allows its equipment to sit idle due to lack of crews at a rate of 20%. Further more we would be saying that its cheaper to underutilize airplanes due to pilot expenses. I am not trying to pick a fight with you, just trying to hold a civil conversation! But there rest of your post I agree, one thing that concerns me is the 20% increase in departures at the corner stone hubs. The way I see this is as they replace MD 80s with Larger RJ, frequency will increase and so will departures, also they are looking to increase departures at the 5 cornerstone hubs by 20%, they are also looking at closing some of the other bases so more flights will have to touch the big hubs. This is how I see the 20% increase of departures out of NY, MIA, DFW, ORD and LAX.

eaglefly 03-27-2012 06:29 AM


Originally Posted by What (Post 1158553)
I don't quite agree with the statement above, PBS will allow less pilots to do the same flying! I don't see how PBS would allow AMR to increase block hrs by 20%, it might increase pilot productivity by that much but not flying! If we were to say that, we would be stating that currently AMR allows its equipment to sit idle due to lack of crews at a rate of 20%. Further more we would be saying that its cheaper to underutilize airplanes due to pilot expenses. I am not trying to pick a fight with you, just trying to hold a civil conversation! But there rest of your post I agree, one thing that concerns me is the 20% increase in departures at the corner stone hubs. The way I see this is as they replace MD 80s with Larger RJ, frequency will increase and so will departures, also they are looking to increase departures at the 5 cornerstone hubs by 20%, they are also looking at closing some of the other bases so more flights will have to touch the big hubs. This is how I see the 20% increase of departures out of NY, MIA, DFW, ORD and LAX.

Relax.......no worries.

My assertion is tighter pilot scheduling and less overall days off equal doing more with less. You can do that two ways, first like you said doing the same with less or like AMR supposedly claims, doing more with the same. They can't do 20% more flying if all their aircraft are for replacement only. It is their statements that said all deliveries are for replacement only and that they intend to increase flying by 20%, so I see the latter as the result. Of course, they say all kinds of things that don't materialize.

DashDriverYV 03-27-2012 06:55 AM

Well the 737 hold 14% more pad then the s80, what about the bus? Is that considered an increase in capacity?

Wingtips 03-27-2012 07:05 AM


Originally Posted by DashDriverYV (Post 1158575)
Well the 737 hold 14% more pad then the s80, what about the bus? Is that considered an increase in capacity?

The bus holds about 120-125 give or take, normally it is something like 8/112. So it is smaller.


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