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Originally Posted by tom14cat14 (Post 1169445)

How can it be a code share if they do not paint their planes in delta colors. I do not know about silver but I am guessing they do not paint their planes in major colors.

This was the way things worked before Fee for Departure. If you look at pictures of Comair Brasilias and Saabs and ASA Brasilias from the mid 80s to the Mid 90s you will see them in Comair and ASA paint schemes, not Delta.

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Originally Posted by tom14cat14 (Post 1169445)

How can it be a code share if they do not paint their planes in delta colors. I do not know about silver but I am guessing they do not paint their planes in major colors.

Really? Us Airways code shares with United, yet they don't paint their planes in United colors. Hundreds of airlines around the world code share with each other every day! It's a form of business, whether they paint the planes or not!

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Originally Posted by tom14cat14 (Post 1169447)

I just realized some might take offence to the third tier airline in my original post. I do not mean third tier as in even crappier then other regional's. I meant as another level of flying for the major carrier. This "tier" does not fly as a connection/express carrier. Great lakes for example flies into MSP and brings them to a terminal that you almost guarantee that they will jump on a Delta plane. These were all routes that XJ used to fly and delta pulled out so they could be an all jet fleet. It just seems like this is a way around it. I wonder if Great lakes shares any rev with Delta on these routes?

Well, I am sure they do, but even if they don't, Lakes is still bringing in pax that would feed into Delta! So pax flying out of Devils Lakes for instance, will still fly through MSP and continue to give Delta business, instead of possibly driving to Fargo and hopping on United to go out west!

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Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1169393)

Delta is in a revenue sharing Joint Venture with KLM/AF/Alitalia, & has 50% of the flying(it can drop below that, but that's getting too deep). AF/KLM/Alitalia split the other 50% of the flying. That's why you can be booked on a DL flight & KLM flight on the same record locator.

I know, I was merely being sarcastic ;)

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Originally Posted by uvuflier (Post 1169350)

I was wondering about this too. What are the incentives for Delta other than feed?

Feed with no risk! Delta does not pay Lakes a dime to operate the routes, where as Delta does pay for the CRJs to fly most of their routes! It's a win win for Delta!

Thank you for letting me informing me on this topic. I did not realize all these companies fly for them with their own paint. I know there were some skywest planes in their colors but i thought that was only so they could fly for any major they have a contract for. I did not mean to ruffle any feathers here. To me it was new but it is my mistake.

No Worries...glad we could help!!

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Originally Posted by camba0a6 (Post 1169455)

I know, I was merely being sarcastic ;)

Yeah, sorry. I quoted you, but was explaining in general. Bad form on my part. :o

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Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1169525)

Yeah, sorry. I quoted you, but was explaining in general. Bad form on my part. :o

No worries at all! :D

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Originally Posted by tom14cat14 (Post 1169491)

Codeshare is basically a marketing agreement, nothing more. Look at Alaska. They codeshare with practically half the world's airlines. Specifically, walk through MSP and look at the signs at each Delta gate and watch most of them scroll through the codeshare partners for that flight. You'll see AS 99% of the time.

I have just been wondering if this is how majors will start getting around scope. The regionals are no longer "contractors" but instead "codeshare partners" and mainline is simply selling seats on all these small individual airlines.

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Originally Posted by Vertisch (Post 1169704)

This is exactly what I was wondering about. What's to stop an airline with 190s in their own colors partnering with a major under a code-share agreement?

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Originally Posted by Vertisch (Post 1169704)

I guess this was what i was meaning to get at also not the code share.