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mikeypat15 04-19-2012 02:16 PM

I posted this a few weeks ago in another forum, it will be tough to not have furloughs. I don't think we could get a sustained average of 62 pilots departing a month for an extended period of time.

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If it helps anybody I ran some rough numbers yesterday in terms of a possible number for furloughs. Sorry for the length. Here they are.

First:
The staffing numbers are as follows
900 (57 planes) - 748 pilots = 13.12 pilots/plane
200 (143 planes) - 1542 pilots = 10.78 pilots/plane
Q400 (31 planes) - 373 pilots = 12.03 pilots/plane
SF3 (27 planes) - 218 pilots = 8.07 pilots/plane
Company Average of 11.00 pilots/plane (5.5 crews/plane)

Second:
I averaged the reduction of each each fleet by taking total aircraft/total months in reduction schedule, so my reduction numbers are a rough average.

Saab:
Roughly 33% reduction in May - July. 27 total planes = 9 planes/month.
At 218 pilots, to get to company average of 11.00 pilots/plane the pilots required are:
May - 198 (20 less)
June - 99 (99 less)
Jul 31- 0 (99 less)

Q400:
Roughly 14% reduction per month from May-November. 31 total planes = 4 planes/month, 7 in November.
At 373 pilots, to get to a company average of 11.00 pilots/plane the pilots required are:
May - 297 (76 less)
Jun - 253 (44 less)
Jul - 209 (44 less)
Aug - 165 (44 less)
Sep - 121 (44 less)
Oct - 77 (44 less)
Nov 30 - 0 (77 less)

900:
Roughly 20% reduction per month from January-May. 16 total planes = 3 planes/month, 4 in May.
At 748 pilots, to get to a company average of 11.00 pilots/plane the pilots required are:
Jan - 594 (154 less)
Feb - 561 (33 less)
Mar - 528 (33 less)
Apr - 495 (33 less)
May - 451 (44 less)

APPROXIMATE Total Pilot reductions per month:
May - 96
Jun - 143
Jul - 143
Aug - 44
Sep - 44
Oct - 44
Nov - 77
Dec - No fleet reductions (Merry Christmas!)
Jan - 154
Feb - 33
Mar - 33
Apr - 33
May -33
Total - 888 pilots

200:
The 200 is short of 11.00 pilots/plane so it should absorb a small amount of pilots. 143 planes x 11.00 = 1573 pilots.
Currently 1573-1542 (current pilot total) = 31 pilots absorbed.

Third:
Currently (according to the last 3 SLIs) we are losing 20.55 pilots per month in attrition. I came to this:

91 seniority numbers less (2972-2881)
+37pilots added in new hires
128 Total pilots then then left

Over a 189 day period between all three SLI's leaves us with 20.55.

So in summary:
888 pilots
-31 pilots absorbed into the 200
=857 pilots (not taking into account attrition)

Taking into account attrition, you can roughly subtract 20-21 furloughs/month for attrition, but for a total of 14 months, the company will lose 288 pilots to attrition. (14 x 20.55)

857 pilots
-288 attrition
Approximately 569 furloughs.

If hypothetically attrition spikes (which I'm sure it will) here are the quick new numbers.

25 pilots/month - 507 furloughs
30 pilots/month - 437 furloughs
35 pilots/month - 367 furloughs
40 pilots/month - 297 furloughs
45 pilots/month - 227 furloughs
50 pilots/month - 157 furloughs
55 pilots/month - 87 furloughs
60 pilots/month - 17 furloughs
62 pilots/month - 0 furloughs.

Hope this helps people plan, remember this is not official, or meant to spread rumors. Just an approximation. If you find any numbers not right, let me know I'll run them again. Thanks and Good Luck to all!

What 04-19-2012 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Seggy (Post 1171982)
Word on the street is that Pinnacle Airlines Corporation is losing 30 pilots a day. With that they may not need to furlough and actually hire when they are done with this process. Interesting if (and I hope it is) true.

20 days in Chapter 11 + 30 Pilots a day = 600 Pilots
1900 Pilot at Pinnacle, hmmm... that's about 1/3 of the pilot group! I call BS :eek:

Sonny Crockett 04-19-2012 02:41 PM

I hope MATT HANDJOB has a heart attack if this is true.....

gonyon 04-19-2012 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by mikeypat15 (Post 1172066)
So we've lost 570 pilots since BK? Highly doubt that. Even in the past 3 weeks, there wouldn't be enough spots in classes at other airlines if 470 of the 570 decided to get out of aviation altogether.

There is 2 week notice involved. I bet there have been at least a couple hundred since apr 1st.

CloudPilot57 04-19-2012 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by B00sted (Post 1172010)
The majority of the movement is from Colgan guys. 1 XJ left in March. A few 9E, the rest Colgan. Was your source a ramper? :rolleyes:

Just curious what your source is? I know for a fact more than 1 Xj left in March

jayray 04-19-2012 03:48 PM

I would not be surprised if there were a couple days where 30 people left. I doubt most of those will help anyone move up the seniority list. I did hear during the XJ BK that there were some months where 100 people left.

hslightnin 04-19-2012 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by B00sted (Post 1172031)
Just telling you 30 a day isn't true and frankly absurd. Common sense isn't very common...

Mesa had 23 quit in a day, this was back in the heyday of 2007. 30 isnt that absurd.

9easy 04-19-2012 04:21 PM

I bid in the top 20 in JFK and got called for a JA this month....

Jamers 04-19-2012 04:36 PM

Knowing this company they are going to furlough exactly the wrong amount of people.

B00sted 04-19-2012 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by CloudPilot57 (Post 1172102)
Just curious what your source is? I know for a fact more than 1 Xj left in March

The chart that shows attrition for all 3 company's...1 XJ 900 CA.


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