So would I. I don't need a big airplane to compensate for anything.:D

Republic holds the key,if republic pilots get rates that reflect a written atp as the min standard to be an f/o we will see rates increase across the noard-but I guarantee noone is holding their breath on that.

Pilots should be paid by the size(in length) of the aircraft, not how many seats it holds, same as ship crews. Set an industry standard that changes every two years $8 a foot per captain, $5 a foot per f/o multiply length by rate then by 100 hourly max per month, a crj-200 first yr capt$69,600 f/o$43500. Plus per diem.

Or we can just buy airbus' put 76 seats in em and keep 170/175 rates.

Problem is the majors... If the majors dont pay their regional partners more everytime a regional pilot group gets a pay raise the regional will declare BK and cry they have no money and the new contract will be gone in a year.
Example A is Pinnacle... As pilots we fight a long battle at the regionals to get better contracts... but that long battle can be wipped out in one day with BK.
Its always a race to the bottom at the regionals...

Or they will build 300 seat plane with 20 across each row and pay rj rate.

You cant live in fear of something like that.The same principle says I shouldnt go outside because if I do I might catch a cold, or I shouldnt cross streets because I may be hit by a bus.

Salaries determined by aircraft size at set foot rates- more than just a great idea.

And what airport authority woukd remodel gates to accomodate such planes? Have you been to lax?

Industry wide set rates for capts/first officers, same pay at all majors, all regionals, all chrter outfits.Scope by seat is bs, who cares how many seats the airplane has when the pay is still sh!ttay ?
Thank you mainline pilots for ensuring we can fly nothing more than x amount of seats, but also for letting us keep crap pay.
When we compare an e190 to an a320 we recognize the size difference before seating capacity-pay should reflect aircraft size not variable seat capacity.

I think it would be easier to pay by mtow. There is already a precedent for that.

+1

If we're going to use the airplane to determine pay, Max Structural TOW is the only way to go. You can put as many or as few seats in it as you like.

And how exactly do you go about establishing a rate for mtow?

The same way you go about establishing one for length?

Structural or company-performance mtow? I figure length due to the fact that ar/er/xr versions are usually the same size and the 'rates' can be standardized industry wide.

I have saved an article by Larry E. Nazimek titled, "'Qualified' The impending pilot shortage: Was there ever such an animal" written in 1992 for all these years. It's factual, humorous and has been proven to be true since he wrote the article.

I have scoured the internet looking for it, it was in the old "Air Transport" magazine, but I can't find it anywhere.

When I began my aviation training in 1979, there was talk of an impending pilot shortage. I think we had a little shortage around 10 years ago, but other than that, I've been holding my breath for the alleged shortage.

It's too late for me, but I truly hope that one day pilots will get paid what they deserve, Captain's authority will stop degrading, someone either comes out with a CRM class that does anything or just gives up and that Human Resources one day stops running Flight Ops.

If we get iPads, that will be the singular improvement I have seen in my 30 year aviation career (all the new avionics are nice but I wonder if we have lost a certain amount of pure flying skills and decision making with all the automation). Every aspect of aviation has been a long, slow slide towards the bottom. I hope for all of you young folks that it turns around one day.

I do support ATP minimums to fly in any seat of a jet, I'd even go as far as ATP for any seat in a turbo-prop that requires 2 pilots (not by Company policy but by the regs).

Best of luck guys.

Oh yeah, and that one day pilots are once again hired by Flight Ops and pilots instead of by HR. Who can forget Sandy at SWA and Judy at AA?

Plus1000000........

The company can pay the manufacturer for a piece of paper that changes the MTOW. Don't know how common it is in the US, but aircraft weights vary seasonally in Europe, where some fees are assessed based on MTOW. If we really are going to go by weight, we need to get the max structural weight approved by the manufacturer. The company can then do whatever it wants to the weights.

Agreed. This person is missing the big picture. We need stronger unity.