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robthree 10-28-2006 09:45 PM


Originally Posted by flynavyj (Post 73885)
seems highly doubtful that raising the costs (not significally) would give us less pilots. The factories are charging incredible amounts of money, and if we already have 80k to blow on aviation, then what's another 5-10k?

The cost is less in the direct out of pocket expense of purchasing more flight time, than in the additional time required to attain 1500 hours of TT. Goodbye ads that claim "0 to the Airlines in 90 days!" Spending a year and a half on your career training is probably going to weed out a few who are now getting through it in a Summer. (Yes I know almost no one does it in 90 days... but the priciple still holds).

Ski Patrol 10-30-2006 05:12 AM

Correction
 

Originally Posted by HotMamaPilot (Post 74134)
Bull$hit and Bull$hit again. These numbers are NEVER down. This myth about depleted pools and such is just that, a myth. This field is flooded and will always be. Or are you actually an All ATP recruiter?:D

Wanna bet look at the $hit regional jobs. Sure the numbers are never down for the (current :Dand I stress current) good companies. But there are plenty of slots open at the regionals due to attrition etc. I can't speak for grounded but It looks like he's speaking of the regional kind IE Mess-a.

Ski Patrol 10-30-2006 05:46 AM

Korupilot "Fixing our problem"
 
There are a number of posts attempting to fix the undercut of the industry. It appears all would work with varying degrees of effectiveness.

1. Fix the longevity scales (I think "hate2breakit2u" has this one)
2. Get paid for your time (see thread pilot pay supply & demand)
3. Require an ATP for FO's at any 121 operation
4. Alpa to pay more attention to the bottom instead of the top (The problem here is dues $$$)
5. Change public perception of the "overpaid pilot"
6. Finally the "Don't work for xxxxxx airline rants" (probably the least effective in the long run)


The answer is yes we can fix our problem. The question is.... do we as a pilot group want to?:confused:

fosters 10-30-2006 06:48 AM


Originally Posted by Ski Patrol (Post 74683)
4. Alpa to pay more attention to the bottom instead of the top (The problem here is dues $$$)

This is already starting to happen. I think we will see good things from the new leadership. According to my MEC, the new ALPA president (Prater) sat with them at dinner during the conference in Las Vegas. He also sat with other MEC's from other regionals. It was the first time in ALPA history that had happened.

HotMamaPilot 10-30-2006 07:10 AM


Originally Posted by Ski Patrol (Post 74675)
Wanna bet look at the $hit regional jobs. Sure the numbers are never down for the (current :Dand I stress current) good companies. But there are plenty of slots open at the regionals due to attrition etc. I can't speak for grounded but It looks like he's speaking of the regional kind IE Mess-a.

they will never NOT be able to fill those positions. As we speak, some youngin' has already read this "pilot shortage" post and is already applying for a key bank loan at all ATP:mad:

fosters 10-30-2006 07:21 AM


Originally Posted by HotMamaPilot (Post 74700)
applying for a key bank loan at all ATP:mad:

FYI it's just "ATP", not "All ATP". No all.

LAfrequentflyer 10-30-2006 07:47 AM


Originally Posted by Ski Patrol (Post 74683)
There are a number of posts attempting to fix the undercut of the industry. It appears all would work with varying degrees of effectiveness.

1. Fix the longevity scales (I think "hate2breakit2u" has this one)
2. Get paid for your time (see thread pilot pay supply & demand)
3. Require an ATP for FO's at any 121 operation
4. Alpa to pay more attention to the bottom instead of the top (The problem here is dues $$$)
5. Change public perception of the "overpaid pilot"
6. Finally the "Don't work for xxxxxx airline rants" (probably the least effective in the long run)


The answer is yes we can fix our problem. The question is.... do we as a pilot group want to?:confused:


So...How to begin? The 1st step (iding the problem) has been done...

-LAFF

Ski Patrol 10-30-2006 08:03 AM


Originally Posted by LAfrequentflyer (Post 74715)
So...How to begin? The 1st step (finding the problem) has been done...

-LAFF

I wish I had the answer for that one. Perhaps somenone else can weigh in on the matter.


Originally Posted by HotMamaPilot;
they will never NOT be able to fill those positions. As we speak, some youngin' has already read this "pilot shortage" post and is already applying for a key bank loan at all ATP:mad:

Exactly so why is that youngin' willing to apply for the loan?

rickair7777 10-30-2006 08:13 AM


Originally Posted by fosters (Post 74703)
FYI it's just "ATP", not "All ATP". No all.


Used to be "All ATP's" IIRC

fosters 10-30-2006 08:28 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 74725)
Used to be "All ATP's" IIRC

How long ago? That's their phone number but not the schools' name.

It's actually "Airline Transport Professionals, Inc.".


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