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Flyby1206 10-31-2006 11:36 AM

How about if Major carriers had RJs/props on their certificate/seniority list. Fly the RJ/prop for 2-3years and get crappy pay, then move on to the better payscales flying a bigger plane. At least then people would go to a company they like and stay there without the need to sell-out for PIC turbine time. There wouldnt be 5 different carriers flying for 1 major, it would all be the same under 1 company eliminating the under-cutting at the regional level. Each company would have an incredibly strong pilot group, imagine going on strike and shutting down every airplane the company flies from a turboprop to a heavy 777. Pretty good barganing chip!

freezingflyboy 10-31-2006 11:52 AM


Originally Posted by Flyby1206 (Post 75227)
How about if Major carriers had RJs/props on their certificate/seniority list. Fly the RJ/prop for 2-3years and get crappy pay, then move on to the better payscales flying a bigger plane. At least then people would go to a company they like and stay there without the need to sell-out for PIC turbine time. There wouldnt be 5 different carriers flying for 1 major, it would all be the same under 1 company eliminating the under-cutting at the regional level. Each company would have an incredibly strong pilot group, imagine going on strike and shutting down every airplane the company flies from a turboprop to a heavy 777. Pretty good barganing chip!

Thats how it used to be years ago at places like American, Continental and US Air. I know at Eagle and Continental Express you would get an American or Continental seniortity number and when your number came up, you moved on over. But then the mainline carriers realized they could save bunches of money by pitting the regionals against each other and here we are today.

robthree 11-01-2006 04:24 PM


Originally Posted by bla bla bla (Post 75171)
Great post rickair7777, Do you know any of the specifics on mainline's scope's? I would hate to see my major job, (if I stay in the profession), outsourced.

Last time I saw thier contract (a couple years ago),
CAL's scope allowed unlimited 50 seat flying. I assume it is still limited because ther are no 70 seaters over there.

US's scope allows a specific number of "Large Small Jets" to be flown. (70-90 seats) I think its in the ballpark of 80 planes. There is some discussion going on now about scope violations due to Mesa operating thier 900s in CLT. The guys in Tempe say that since Mesa was flying them for HP before the merger they don't count...

robthree 11-01-2006 04:28 PM


Originally Posted by Flyby1206 (Post 75227)
How about if Major carriers had RJs/props on their certificate/seniority list. ...

The new ALPA president John Prater had something like this on his campagn platform. I think his terminology was along the lines of "Make the Airline Brand Owners (read: majors) responsible for the careers of all pilots flying under that brand"

Anybody still have his campaign email, or know if his website is still up?

bla bla bla 11-02-2006 07:29 AM


Originally Posted by robthree (Post 75706)
The new ALPA president John Prater had something like this on his campagn platform. I think his terminology was along the lines of "Make the Airline Brand Owners (read: majors) responsible for the careers of all pilots flying under that brand"

Anybody still have his campaign email, or know if his website is still up?

Thanks for the info.


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