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Rookie385 07-04-2012 02:48 AM

Dtw pilots question
 
Why when taxiing out of 4N and ground clears you to hold short of U8 are the ground controllers so adamant about a runway readback. Your clearance limit does not cross any runways and the next conroller actually gives you a clearance to your runway. Tried to ask a controller the other day, wouldnt give me a answer.

Phuz 07-04-2012 04:41 AM

Yea they are anal about runway assignment readback on the first call in dtw. But my biggest concern up there is not losing a wheel on taxiway M.

atrdriver 07-04-2012 04:58 AM

ibtl


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lolwut 07-04-2012 05:42 AM

Aside from the fact that its required to read back runway hold short instructions, the following probably has a lot to do with it, in addition to the red hold lights (and occasional cones) on 9L at 21R.

Northwest Airlines Flight 1482 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Rookie385 07-04-2012 05:44 AM


Originally Posted by Phuz (Post 1224367)
Yea they are anal about runway assignment readback on the first call in dtw. But my biggest concern up there is not losing a wheel on taxiway M.

Agreed taxiway mike is pretty bad, they ought to redo the whole taxiway instead of doing a patch job.

Silver02ex 07-04-2012 06:52 AM

The read back is for the runway assignment. I know they forget to give that to us sometimes, but if they give it to us they want us to read it back.

BE24pilot 07-04-2012 09:54 AM

It is a required read-back. In DTW they are super anal about it.

TeddyKGB 07-04-2012 12:47 PM


Originally Posted by Rookie385 (Post 1224345)
Why when taxiing out of 4N and ground clears you to hold short of U8 are the ground controllers so adamant about a runway readback. Your clearance limit does not cross any runways and the next conroller actually gives you a clearance to your runway. Tried to ask a controller the other day, wouldnt give me a answer.

Because it's required and they requested it. Just do it. So you're that guy on ATC who always needs an answer or explanation if he doesn't agree. TOTD material. :rolleyes:

gettinbumped 07-04-2012 01:12 PM


Originally Posted by Rookie385 (Post 1224345)
Why when taxiing out of 4N and ground clears you to hold short of U8 are the ground controllers so adamant about a runway readback. Your clearance limit does not cross any runways and the next conroller actually gives you a clearance to your runway. Tried to ask a controller the other day, wouldnt give me a answer.

Ummm.... Because its REQUIRED? If you don't read it back then they have to give it to you again. Don't expect a controller to hang his/her butt on the line because you are being lazy or unprofessional.

atrdriver 07-04-2012 04:05 PM


Originally Posted by Delta1067 (Post 1224670)
Because it's required and they requested it. Just do it. So you're that guy on ATC who always needs an answer or explanation if he doesn't agree. TOTD material. :rolleyes:


He likely works at GoJetz, so he's TOTD material already.

Rookie385 07-04-2012 04:15 PM

Lol you guys are funny, everyone has to throw a jab in and make an assumption. More curious than anything to see if anyone else has experienced this.

Geardownflaps30 07-04-2012 04:36 PM


Originally Posted by Rookie385 (Post 1224760)
Lol you guys are funny, everyone has to throw a jab in and make an assumption. More curious than anything to see if anyone else has experienced this.

In a word: "no".

But the controllers do know which company's are more likely to be troublesome than others...

gettinbumped 07-04-2012 04:41 PM


Originally Posted by Rookie385 (Post 1224760)
Lol you guys are funny, everyone has to throw a jab in and make an assumption. More curious than anything to see if anyone else has experienced this.

No, because my FO's read back the runway assignment like they are supposed to

Rookie385 07-04-2012 04:47 PM

Fair enough guys, not trying to start a battle, and not saying that the intent is to blatently not read back a runway assignment. New to the forums and was trying to have a conversation without being jumped on.

Respectively...

Salukipilot4590 07-04-2012 06:48 PM


Originally Posted by atrdriver (Post 1224754)
He likely works at GoJetz, so he's TOTD material already.

Dude...

IN.

flyguy1 07-05-2012 05:25 AM


Aside from the fact that its required to read back runway hold short instructions, the following probably has a lot to do with it, in addition to the red hold lights (and occasional cones) on 9L at 21R.

Northwest Airlines Flight 1482 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Even more recent than this incident was an incident about 4 years ago involving a NW DC-9. They taxied from 1 North and were told to plan on 22R but they thought 22L which is the usual departure runway. They were told to taxi U then LEFT on K, but they turned RIGHT on K and crossed 27R while an RJ was landing.
Nobody was hurt, in fact the crew didn't know they had done anything wrong until they landed at their destination.

Senior Skipper 07-05-2012 07:22 PM

Why do you need to read back the runway assignment in DTW?

The question should be "when is a runway readback not required?"

Seriously though, you always read back a runway assignment. Yesterday @ JFK, I heard somebody (Comair or Pinnacle) arguing with GND over the runway assignment. I guess he didn't realize how silly he sounded.

Colnago 07-06-2012 01:17 AM


Originally Posted by Geardownflaps30 (Post 1224766)
In a word: "no".

But the controllers do know which company's are more likely to be troublesome than others...

...really??? company's?

Colnago 07-06-2012 01:18 AM

...and yes, it's a required readback. The OP is correct, though. Unlike other airports, DTW is particularly anal about it.


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