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crflyer 07-27-2012 02:14 PM

Level D sim
 
I know there are threads about this already, but they are old and not in this section of the site so I wanted to hopefully get the opinion of more people.

If I have, say 1470 hours TT, can I NOT USE 40 hours of level D sim time to bring me up to 1500 to meet the ATP mins? This matters because I'll be going through AQP in a couple of weeks and without the sim time, I'll be just shy of ATP mins and have to wait a year.

I've got people saying yes, and people saying no. If I can get typed in an aircraft (using a level D sim) without ever touching it, wouldn't all that time count?

References??

Salukipilot4590 07-27-2012 02:15 PM

You can use 50 hours of SIMULATOR time toward a new certificate.

Enjoy your type ride broheim!

crflyer 07-27-2012 02:23 PM


Originally Posted by Salukipilot4590 (Post 1236336)
You can use 50 hours of SIMULATOR time toward a new certificate.

Enjoy your type ride broheim!

where is this? I know about the 25 hours simulated instrument from simulators being allowed, but as I'm filling out this IACRA application it will not let me go through because I am short on aircraft time (1470)

Fly782 07-27-2012 02:41 PM

61.159 says you can if the sim is certified under part 142...

Natca 07-27-2012 02:43 PM

So The Sim must Be operated inlue of a 142 program.

crflyer 07-27-2012 02:51 PM

Thanks, this is what I was looking for and don't have the FARs with me. So the 100 hours that can be applied can't come from 121 initial, recurrent, etc... GREAT

rickair7777 07-27-2012 02:51 PM

FAR 61.159 spells it out.

You can use 25 hours (or 50 hours for part 142) of sim specifically time towards the 75 hours of instrument time. If you already have the required instrument time I'm not sure that you can use generic sim time to boost your total, that's not the way the FAR reads.

You can however use 100 hours of sim time if you are doing an approved course at a part 142 training center. You will need to ask around to figure out if your training is part 142. If it's done in-house by a 121 carrier it's probably not. If it's contracted out to CAE or someone like that it might be (or it might not).

Ottopilot 07-27-2012 04:22 PM

Using sim time towards a rating is fine.
Using sim time towards total time is not allowed. The simulator never left the ground so how can it be flight time? Total time does not include sim time.

phalanxo 07-27-2012 04:29 PM


Originally Posted by Ottopilot (Post 1236412)
Using sim time towards a rating is fine.
Using sim time towards total time is not allowed. The simulator never left the ground so how can it be flight time? Total time does not include sim time.

For the commercial, you can get it with 200 instead of 250 if you use your 50 hours of sim time... So for some ratings at least, it's acceptable, not sure if that applies to an ATP, though.

Geardownflaps30 07-27-2012 04:42 PM

It can NOT count towards TOTAL FLIGHT TIME unless in an approved part 142 training program. Period.

80ktsClamp 07-27-2012 04:43 PM


Originally Posted by phalanxo (Post 1236417)
For the commercial, you can get it with 200 instead of 250 if you use your 50 hours of sim time... So for some ratings at least, it's acceptable, not sure if that applies to an ATP, though.

winner winner chicken dinner!

rickair7777 07-27-2012 09:23 PM


Originally Posted by Ottopilot (Post 1236412)
Using sim time towards a rating is fine.
Using sim time towards total time is not allowed. The simulator never left the ground so how can it be flight time? Total time does not include sim time.

My reference to "total time" was in the context of the ATP cert, ie the 1500 hours of total aeronautical experience.

Sim does not count towards total time in your logbook.

goaround2000 07-27-2012 09:56 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 1236583)
My reference to "total time" was in the context of the ATP cert, ie the 1500 hours of total aeronautical experience.

Sim does not count towards total time in your logbook.

This is correct, and verified by the fsdo in Houston.

qazWSX 07-30-2012 11:06 PM

Read this:

FSIMS Handbook


From what I understand: A Type Rating is an amendment to your ATP; A Type Rating therefore shows that you have met ATP standards on a check ride in a certain aircraft. You can then be issued an ATP with limitations; for example, not 23 years old, do not meet flight time requirements, etc. (Letter of Competency). Not good as an ATP until you produce evidence of meeting the required flight time limitations in your case. Then it's just a paperwork shuffle and you have both the ATP and the Type Rating, you just "cash in" the Letter of Competency.

Problem usually comes in with how familiar the examiner is with his ability to issue certificates. A sharp one knows, a competent one will call it in to verify his scope and a turd one will deny anything you propose to him.

Best to have this conversation BEFORE the ride! Good luck!

PS I registered on this forum just to help you out!


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