RAH Company Pay Counter Proposal
 

Pilots – Negotiation Updates

August 24, 2012 By RJET

The Company and union negotiating committees met with the NMB mediator today (Friday, Aug. 24) in Charlotte, NC, where the Company presented its new pilot compensation proposal. The proposal includes additional increases to the First Officer scale previously presented to the union and increases in compensation for the majority of our Captains. The entire compensation proposal would ensure that our pilots are paid above the average for our industry competitors.

The fact that the Company and union were able to meet and the Company was able to present this proposal proves that, if the parties continue to meet and work together, a solution can be reached.


We look forward to continuing to work with the union to reach an agreement our Pilots can vote for, the Company can afford and that is in the best interest of all of our employees.



Pilots – Negotiation Updates

Nothing to see here

no......no.....nothing yet.......alright ill be back.

Thanks for the update, Wayne!

once again, nothing happens..... We will meet again after the elections in Nov.

Well, it’s good news that we’re making progress. I’m sure this isn’t the company’s LBFO, so we can continue Mediation and not worry about being released yet.

It is interesting that the membership gets to read about the day of negotiations from APC and the company’s website before the EBoard or the NC tells us anything. Do we have a communications person or committee? If not, maybe we ought to consider it.

I guess we know what the company’s initial offer for FO’s is, anyone going to say what the “increases in compensation for the majority of our Captains” are? Or will we get to read it here or on the company’s website first?

That was drafted before the meeting and posted as soon as they walked out the door. Give the union guys at least 24 hrs to get something out...beyond that, and I'll grab my pitchfork and join you...but be reasonable.

If you were an actual Republic pilot you'd know that the NMB does not allow either side to make public the proposals and payrates; but being that you're actually an F9 pilot just posing as one of us, you may not know that.

I am well aware that the Mediator has placed a gag orders on both parties, but why can the company made public the proposed FO pay rates?

Why are they allowed to publish 1 half and we’re not able to publish the other half (“increases in compensation for the majority of our Captains”)?

Why does the gag order only apply to the union?

Should I change my user name to “41forlife”?

They didn't publish the proposed FO rates. They put out a FO pay increase proposal outside of contract negotiations. Two completely different things.

You notice they said that the proposed FO rates were higher than the previously proposed increase so they didn't actually have exact numbers?

Here's your number (sign) Dude.

Are you stoned or just so buried with Union and Company BS that you miss or disregard information that has already been disclosed?

I don’t know how the Company could have been clearer. They said:

“The proposal includes additional increases to the First Officer scale previously presented to the union…”

You DID get that public memo from the Company and, albeit late (again), from the Union?

http://www.myrjetworkplace.com/wp-co...Pay-Update.pdf

Did not cut & paste for me well, so here's the best table I could come up with:

Current

Year

1 ---- 22.95
2 ---- 30.88
3 ---- 35.52
4 ---- 36.62
5 ---- 36.62
6 ---- 36.62
7+ -- 36.62

Proposed

Year

1 ----- 30
2 ----- 34
3 ----- 37
4 ----- 39
5 ----- 40
6 ----- 41
7+ --- 42

What part of that is ambiguous or confusing?

They really believe a 30 seat turboprop is a good pay comparison for a 44 seat jet??:rolleyes::eek::confused:

Thanks for the PM.

And, you wonder why I don't post this directly to the 357 message board?

Even the pilots that slightly raise the (lack) of communication issues are beat down by the zealots. The senior captains could care less about this negotiation/mediation, they've got theirs and they don't care about the pilots ("Brothers and Sisters") that are cruising through this place as quickly as they possibly can.

They've got theirs, cut the rope.

If I posted this on Local357.org, I'd be crucified. There is still a movement, growing every day, to replace the EBoard and the NC. Too much old garbage and nepotism IRT Midwest. Hopefully we can pull an Eboard and NC together before we all are out of business.

And yes, the senior guys get whatever they want, live in base and are making a reasonable for where they live. If this isn't a senior/junior issue, I don't know what is. Yeah, CM is junior, but his goal are the former Midwest guys.

They do, we don't. To carry it further, props are for boats. A 44 seat jet is a huge stone around your neck as you jump into the river for an enjoyable swim.

I seriously doubt that there will be a commercial airliner that seats less than 70+ in the near future, unless oil really goes down $20 a barrel.

So what do you think of those pay rates 3662ForLife?

What would your chart look like? Please publish the numbers you'd find reasonable.

I'm laughing at those pay rates. In 2003, those pay rates would have been acceptable, with massive work rule changes. So we fast forward to 2007 and those pay rates are not acceptable. By 2012, after all the crap our inept management has pulled... Those pay rates are like offering to pay me in hubcaps or grass clippings, they don't even come close to what I will accept.

So the company basically says they presented a pay counter-proposal? Wow. In that pay counter, they also proposed an "increase"? Wow!

I'm really concerned that this information got out before the union could forewarn us.

3662, Why do you say "not worry about being released yet"? I don't worry about it, I look forward to it. I ask my religious friends to pray for it. I always wonder if BB prays for it not to happen, and I get a few people to pray for it, do I win by numerical superiority?

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Plus where are the trip and duty rigs? Cancellation pay? If they are not in there then it is a NO, No matter what the rates are.

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Not true. If they paid me $200/hour with a 75 hour guarantee, then I do not need cancellation pay or duty rigs. My example is extreme, but you get my point. There is a price for everything.

Voting no on that one. As will pretty much every FO here.

still no cancellation pay? what a joke.

RAH pilots,

I don't have a dog in this fight, and I really don't know your recent history, but the proposed hourly rates seem to be more or less in line with SKW, AE, XJT. It would be nice if you could top those guys by at least a couple bucks per year. Plus of course the other contractual stuff (cancellation pay etc.)

They said they INCREASED these original proposed (imposed?) rates. You are the one who can't read.

“The proposal includes additional increases to the First Officer scale previously presented to the union…”

The key words here are "additional increases." They didn't just hand the union this old proposal, which was basically just a bump to 1st year pay to sucker new hires to coming here, they increased all those rates. And those rates they increased a few days ago were not disclosed.

Here is your sign back, wear it with pride. You earned it.

I volunteer you to be the communication committee. You want it?

We mean like I’d get to sit in on the Mediation, be part of the Negotiating Committee discussions, be part of the EBoard discussions, then have DS, CM and Wilder tell me why I can’t tell anyone anything?

Or, could I do all of the above and report the events as they happen, sans editing by either side?

I’m not so interested in the former, which is where we are now, but WAY in on the latter.

When did we start caring what a Mediator or Arbitrator “orders” anyway?

Just curious 3662, what pay rates and work rules do you find acceptable? Are our competitors appropriately identified? Is an average seat density of 50-60 seats comparable to one of 80-90 seats? Revenue generation of 76-120 seat aircraft should be about 25% higher than that of 50 seat operators. So do you support paying FOs at RAH 25% higher than our "competitors" who fly smaller aircraft on average?

The Mediator and NMB, make the rules. That is what you get when you go to the Government for mediation. You give up a lot when you get to this point in the process. You give up scheduling of meetings. You give up the choice of location of the meetings. You give up flow of information because the NMB says keep you mouth shut or we will put you on ice.

Are you getting the picture now? These are the consequences of going to the NMB. But it is ultimately the path you must take when the company is refusing to make a worthwhile proposal. Go to anyone who knows how negotiations work. Nothing gets done till a deadline is put in place. Look at the NFL refs, they will get a contract when the NFL realizes that their product is getting lousy. Their deadline is coming soon.

So, you still want to be a communications guy? I know some people who could make it happen.