American Eagle both job sites updated,no hire
 

was updating my airline apps and noticed this

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also noticed they updated the jobs page too on the eagle job website to the new ATP mins............I am most likely making something out of nothing, and we are all screwed, however this is something for some of you to hopefully feel a little better.


American Eagle - Careers :: Pilots

"Qualifications
To be considered for a First Officer interview with American Eagle, applicants must hold commercial pilot certification with multi-engine and instrument ratings. Total fixed wing of 1500 hours, 500 hours cross country time, multi-engine fixed wing time of 100 hours and 250 PIC is preferred. Applicants must hold a current FAA First Class Medical Certificate, IFR currency and an FCC license."

"You must be 23 years of age by August 2, 2013."


Like I said it is most likely nothing, not sure how long ago this stuff all got updated, but I was on the Eagle website a few weeks ago and it still said 500 hours required.

also on the addendum page they added COMAIR PILOT as a affiliate to get the job. I was on this 3 weeks ago, and none of this stuff was here, this must have all been updated recently. Like I said before, it is most likely nothing, but just pointing out what I saw. They updated the airline apps info, including the addendum page and their own website recently.

We all know well be hiring by next year due to attrition.

I wounder if they are going to be flexible on the 100 hrs multi.

Yes. You can have more than 100.

[QUOTE=rickt86;1256934]also on the addendum page they added COMAIR PILOT as a affiliate to get the job. I was on this 3 weeks ago, and none of this stuff was here, this must have all been updated recently. Like I said before, it is most likely nothing, but just pointing out what I saw. They updated the airline apps info, including the addendum page and their own website recently.[/QUOTE

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I see what u did there...

I kinda wish this site had a "like" button so I don't have a gazzillion posts just to say I like your post...but you sir/madam---your post is woooooorth iiiiiiit!! :cool:

Well, someone has to fly those "AA" routes.

Big Deal, Those were the standard Mins back when they only hired qualified Pilots and not Min standards wonder's....

The mins used to be about 3500 Total Time and 1000 PIC turbine, with -135 or -121 time preferred.

cliff
MIA

Gas used to be .99/cents a gallon, and CFIs flew for free to build time. Guys actually made it from flight school to a major in ten years or less. Student loans actually existed. This use to be a stepping stone, not 50% of domestic flying and an outsourcing mecca for major airlines. Being an airline pilot, even with a high school degree, USE to be a GREAT return on your investment. Now guys are stuck washing around the RJ industry as FOs and furloughed multiple times, with $100,000 in loans. AWFUL return on the investment.

Not being a pecker just pointing out what changed.

....and it only will get worse, as like or not the large RJ's are here to stay and will be the final stop for a large percentage of current regional pilots. Every 4 years or so, most pilot groups will have to "reset" their compensation or risk losing their paychecks. Factor in a stagnant hourly rate, large increases in health care costs and inflation and the average regional pilot's actual earning power will decrese significantly as they progress in the regional industry with the exception of their first captain upgrade.

Your actual earning power will peak as a newly minted RJ captain and decrease thereafter. First slowly as your hourly rate increases lag health care/inflation and then more quickly should you either lose your seat due to faliure to accept a reset or the losses of the reset itself. It will be a catch-22 situation with no remedy.

Eh maybe, this is where I disagree with you, and most of my Dads friends say otherwise as well. I think the lack of new applicants is going to make retention a huge issue for most RJ airlines. Add into that many people will start going to the majors here shortly, already looking at 1000 next year between United Delta and Usair pending no merger. I realize the real retirement numbers dont start for another 3-5 years, however most guys I know at LUAL are saying 62.5 is going to be the magic number. The larger RJs will replace the smaller ones, its just the ever changing business model of the airline and this country as an entity. The scary idea to me is more start ups like gojets to undercut already existing work groups, at a holding company. Luckily Gojet HAS faced hiring issues compared to places like Skywest, and I hope that only gets worst. Gojet is hiring from a different pool than Eagle and Skywest did last round. Gojet is sharing the great lakes and silver pool.

Well, we'll have to disagree. For the record, since coming to a legacy, I find the senior captains to be the least clued in to what's happening in the industry. I think many of the younger regional pilots are more in tune as they pay attention being at the beginning of their journey instead of coasting at the end.

The push for age 65 wasn't because most pilots only wanted to work to 62. Don't forget that the legacies can be choosy and it's been a decade since military pilots had a shot at any of them. Your assumption of a measly 1000 pilots might only nick a few hundred from all the regionals, which is nothing. It's going to take a lot more then that for a sustained period of time to show up in real movement and many regional pilots will be well into their 40's and 50's in 5-7 years.

Any movement is good though, because it opens things up in different places, which causes people to shuffle around. Say United hires 10, 2 are RJ captains, 2 part 135 and 1 is Corporate 91 and 5 Military. That opens 2 RJ fo spots 2 135 spots and 1 corporate spot. Not all of these will be from the entry level, some guys will go from 135 to RJ fo,some from 135 to corporate some from corporate etc. I know im stating the obv, but people shuffle during upward mobility periods.

Your dad being UAL should give you a leg up there, but they'll be stiff competition. Even back in the heyday of the 90's when most carriers (6-10) were hiring 500-1000/year, applicants had a 1-10/20 chance simply due to the number of applicants vs. available positions.

You can be sure it will be many years before that level is attained again. There will only be 3 legacies and as many LCC's in the future and since not only the majority of expansion NOT occurring at these carriers, but regioanls (at least until the regional new-hire pilot crisis) it will be much slower. In fact, many of these legacies will likely be contracting at the same time, exacerbating the situation.

Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst.

Agreed. Who know what could happen. Ticket prices go up and some how fuel cost come down (more efficient planes and other sources of power), and the economy comes back around, the govt might break up the airlines. Too many maybes to know. In a good economy with lower fuel cost, with 6 major airlines, many were turning out 2+ billion per year in profit.

Back on topic though, it does seem odd that Eagle at least SEEMS to be gearing up for another round of hiring. Maybe we have become so large, that shrinking us to death is not the most economic option.

Senior mainline guys are:

A: out of touch with/don't care about the grave issues/concerns junior mainline and regional guys are staring down the barrel of.

B: the very gentlemen who sold out scope and allowed this C-scale system in order to pad their extra innings thus killing this profession.

Instead of asking your daddy and his friends for their insight, I'd be asking them why they didn't mind the store for you and yours as well as it was taken care of for them.

You assume they (him and his friends) voted in favor of this stuff. Many of the scope give up were forced in Ch11.

Ever find it odd how every one of them you talk to says that?

P.S. The only guys who have the right to say that wear AA wings.

Caution! What follows is strictly rumor...(as most is)
Eagle IS gearing up for hiring. They want to hire now but are not allowed by the string pullers until out of BK. (Heard from a friend who... Blah, blah, blah)

FWIW, Eagle is short on reserve CA's and FO's in most bases. (Not including JFK/LGA. But not many lines/flying there anyway)

Back to the topic of the thread.

Your real cool.

I'd like to think they're going to hire soon, but I think it's just to show the public that Eagle follows the recent changes in the law. Mesa listed the same minimums a few years back and they're no closer to hiring. Hate to be a naysayer.

You mean the Mesa on airline apps that lists 500 total and 75 multi as their mins??

Creditors committee: We’re not going to wait forever for a pilots’ deal
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By tmaxon
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12:24 pm on September 7, 2012 | Permalink
The Unsecured Creditors Committee filed a statement Friday supporting the collective bargaining agreements approved by the Transport Workers Union and the Association of Professional Flight Attendants. Those go before U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Sean Lane for his blessing on Wednesday.

But in doing so, the committee warned that its support of giving AMR stock to the Allied Pilots Association is contingent on a deal happening sooner rather than later. It put the equity awards support at American Eagle for members of the Air Line Pilots Association, Association of Flight Attendants and TWU in the same category.

The UCC said it “has has agreed to support the equity stake negotiated” by those unions “in order to support prompt, consensual agreements.”

*“However, the Committee’s support will continue only to the extent that ratified consensual agreements are reached promptly,” it said in its filing.

“The Committee will not support equity stakes or claims for any labor organization that does not ratify a CBA nor will the Committee support any further economic value going to labor organizations beyond the last, best and final offers made by the applicable Debtor,” meaning American Airlines or American Eagle.

A propaganda conduit for the debtor. They FAX the press release containing this statement to the court to Dallas News in the hope it might influence something.

If that is still their LBFO, then off we go to nowhere land. I guess the UCC will have to shoot craps once we leave BK and hope for the best.

I dont think we are actually going to get a stake in the company right??? I know the company stake in UAL came out to about $90,000 in value in the end. What would a stake be worth? Obviously if Eagle got some kind of stake it would be something shaved way down to 1% or even .05%, that still could be worth $5000-$10,000. That's has value to a group making $40,000/yr on average (Eagle FOs).

Well, the UCC agreed to support a 13.5% claim value for AA pilots to partially compensate for loss of A-fund value, but that's currently out. A claim does still exist, but it's value is unknown as long as we have no CBA to define it. You guys on the other hand are not losing any pension value (401(k)) from what I understand, so I don't know what "claim" you would be entitled to. I haven't seen any claim offers in any of the Eagle proposals and AFAIK, the F/A's new ratified agreement would have to have one and additionally, if that exists, all Eagle labor would be entitled to an proportionately equal claim based on value of loss.

Curious myself to see what that little ditty is all about......perhaps they're referring to some type of veiled signing bonus ? Our failed TA is dead in the water, so unless they come off that statement, we are prepared to exit BK with no contract. If what is being said is accurate, it will be interesting to watch the crazy train of 7500 pilots operate under 5 different state laws for employment. If that in fact becomes reality, I predict insanity. Once exiting BK under those circumstances, we'll not be working under a COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT, but a work order from a judge. AFAIK, bankruptcy court provisions are not applicable after BK is exited in regards to nullifying state labor laws and judges work orders don't supersede or negate those state labor laws.

Personally, if that is the UCC's final word, I hope we can exit BK ASAP and see what our world will really be like as it is indeed "uncharted territory". Should be absolutely fascinating though.

this entire thing has been interesting to watch thats for sure. Maybe they are just using us once again to rattle your guys chains. Divide and conquer right? Give Eagle a company stake and start hiring at Eagle, while they furlough at AA (just speculating a trick they could pull, even if just 50 pilots) and take away your stake (since that is for now off the table), then come back with some new last best final offer. Not sure, but it smells like a stunt.

Backpeddling from their court statements on Tuesday ?

Actually, I don't understand the logic of basically leaving no option but a resubmission of an offer that was rejected so heinously. That would seem to ensure no possibility of compromise, but hey.......whatever. It's my understanding we are still under the provisions of our CBA until such time notification of intent to implement specific changes occurs, likely later next week.

Going to be an interesting next few months until the end of the year, when their claim of a specific plan or reorganization is supposed to be revealed, stand alone or merger.

Like 5pm on a Friday?? I dont look forward to any Friday afternoons for some time. Outside of some optimistic info I pointed out, I think most at Eagle are just sitting and waiting right now for a furlough notice.

Ahh. You are quite the comedian.