Logbook Question
 

Hey Guys,

Might sound like a stupid question but in your logbook what title did you give your Jet time...was it "Turbine", "Turbofan", "Jet" or something else? I put down "Jet" in my regular logbook but when creating a report out of logbook pro, I was wondering if that would sound professional or not. What would someone in an interview be looking for specifically? Thanks for your advice.

Ross

I don't have a column for type of powerplant. No real need for it.

I have it down as turbine...but i also have turboprop time. I'm sure both ways are acceptable...

As I recall it was "jet"

Hey guys, seperate question but about logbookpro. I kept paper logs until recently. I purchased logbookpro and input all my data. I was on the software site today and found that the binder can cost up to 150 $ and it costs 250 $ to print it. Am I reading this correctly, is there another way that doesn't cost 400 $ ?

I went to Kinko's, they printed out front and back on thicker paper for $70. You can find a binder for much cheaper

Just google the engine type on your aircraft and it will tell you the specs of the engine. Not that it really matters, but a CRJ is technically "turbofan" since it mostly uses bypass air.

I would keep a column for turbine.

Some employers might also want turboprop vs. turbojet.

In this context the term turbojet includes high, low, and no bypass...ie any jet engine.

Many will definitely want jet broken out - I would keep a column for that.

Agree with Rickair - However they ask the question, every instance I've seen jet includes turbojet and turbofan - NOT turboprop.

After 10,000 hrs I started once a month entries, then last year after 16K my last entry reads way too much.......no more needed.

WOW! Neil Armstrong sign your logbook as well? I bet Patty Wagstaff is a personal friend? I just broke 100 hours! You must have a few pointers for Chuck Yeagar.

Why? If it burns Jet A, who should care if you "break down" what (type of engine) you have flown.

Any self-respecting recruiter/HR/CP should readily know the difference between the engine types.

For example, I can put this on my resume, in simple terms:

BE9L, BE20, B721/2, B732/3/4/8, B752, B763/ER.

IMHO, there is no difference between all of these types, be it turboprop, turbojet, or turbofan.

It is all fine and dandy while you have a job, but if you find yourself in furlough fodder territory, you will regret not having had due diligence, the guys reviewing you logbooks won't be impressed by your total time, rather they will be disappointed at your poor record keeping, that opens up questions about what else you tend to be lazy about:rolleyes:

Some apps might want it broken down. I don't see why you need a separate column though. Most apps will just ask for time by aircraft type anyway.

Thank you for supporting my point.

Fair enough, but I've filled out a number of apps that wanted jet vs. turboprop vs. recip.

The actual correct answer to this question is "Electronic Logbook" which easily permits the user to parse the data however any given app wants it (and we all know that every app wants things differently).

That said, I would say there is a significant difference between the flight characteristics of a jet vs. a turboprop; which is why I suspect the apps I've filled out are interested in the breakdown.

I disagree. A resume that has for example GV and BE350 listed on it with 4500 turbine doesn't tell me much.

There's a significant difference between a pilot with 4300 in GV and 200 in BE350 vs one with 4300 in a 350 and 200 in a GV. Not all kerosene burners are created equal.

I understand your point. No offense meant. I guess I just can't wrap my head around the fact that these people seem to think to flying a turboprop at flight levels equal to an average CRJ/ERJ is out of the question.

Personally, flying a BE20/BE30 that high takes a lot of skill that most CRJ/ERJ pilots (might) take for granted.

I guess by grief with these "hiring" types is that they don't understand this.

But if the "hiring" people want to know this level of detail, then fine. I will spend the next 40 hours compiling what is turboprop, turbojet and turbofan.

Pointless? Yes. Required? Depends.

Granted. And sad Chief Pilots would feel that way.

I printed it for $18 at Fedex Kinko's and have gotten compliments on it at every interview I've had.

Thanks for the input guys. For those of you who have taken it to Kinko's or Staples: Did you export into a .pdf format or something else? Did you do the typical two page setup or did you format it to fit to one page (8 X 14) or something similar? Would you buy the logbook binder from LogbookPro or was the binding done by Kinko/Staples? Thanks again.

I just had Kinko's spiral bound it and it looks really good. I designed a cover sheet and they just put a frosted plastic for the cover and a black piece of plastic for the back. I just used normal 8.5x11 paper that was green. You can have them cut down the paper so its more like a logbook but I think it looks fine like it is. I generated the report using the old world style report and saved it to a pdf. I also created a logbook summary page based off of logbook pro's analyzer that is on the second page.

Thank you so much. Appreciate all the help.

Sorry to disappoint, flying is just a paycheck, not my life. 9 years at Eagle and 16 at UAL tends to fill a logbook. My only advice is get on a motorcycle and ride away from any airport on days off.......wont need a logbook in the future, cause if ual tanks the last frickin job I would pursue is aviation.

Peace

This... It only costs about $8 to add pages every few months too.

Funny how a lot of people say that, then when the f bomb hits, magically the apps are back out to flying jobs. :eek:

Just bustin' your particular chops, though. Sounds like you have a good separation of flying from your personal life.

Question; for doing line-by-line logbook entries, do you all log by tenths or hundreths?

or example; flight time/block time is 45 minutes. Do you log .7 or .75?

Printed at FedEx Office (nee Kinko's), 8.5x11 paper, double sided so it opens like a regular Jepp style logbook. Had them drill it for...

The "Ledger Binder" which one can get at a good office supply store (they don't seem to know what one is at Office Max/Depot/Staples - at least didn't five years ago when I was asking). These are the types of binders used at banks and businesses for checks. Has a hard cover, looks sharp, and it's free to add pages to! Note they have them with ring binder style and pins. I personally like the pins much better - it gives the appearance of a bound volume.

I too received compliments on it everywhere I interviewed (regional, ACMI, and Emirates). As far as I can tell interviewers love the e-logs, I always have my originals, but no one has ever wanted to see them - even when offered.

Another suggestion for anyone who hasn't hear me say this before: Make scans of endorsements and check rides from you original and include them in the bound e-log, then email the e-log backup and the scans to a hotmail or other account and just let them sit there on the server (or store them on Google drive or some other free cloud). You now have offsite backup for your logs if (heaven forbid) for some reason you ever lose your originals.