121isnofun

Special Jetwire posted today...

" As part of our plans, we expect to hire at least 1,500 new flight attendants over the next year and create approximately 2,500 new and recalled pilot jobs over five years, which we think will lead to about 1,300 Captain upgrades. "

eaglefly

You forgot the question mark at the end of the thread title. 2500 pilots already out there as furloghee's and AE pilots with AA numbers. Many won't return, so if half did, that would be 1250. AE pilots would only get half those slots or less, so a lot of things would have to occur to get most or all the 824 over to AA.

This of course assumes that this is not another smoke bomb from centreport for AA pilots to vote in favor of a stink bomb.

121isnofun

Why the "sky is falling" theme to many of your posts? Relax a bit. Not everyone is out to get or fool you. Check your numbers. According to this site which you frequent often, there are 1,685 AA furloughs of which 1,000 have already bypassed once. Using your assumption only half accept recall, that puts 842 back in seat. The balance of 1,658 would then be allocated to AE guys with AA numbers which at last count is about 140ish if all choose to flow. Pocket change in the grand scheme. Thus leaving 1,518 to be divided equally between the AE 824 and street newhires or about 760 of the 824ers.

lakehouse

I think AA has about 3000 mandatory retirements over the next 10 years as well, many will retire early/die/have heart attack etc prior.

IF!! IFFFFFF AA stands alone, and IFFFF the 824 is not some how wack (I think if they stand alone it will stay in place, AA/AMR/Eagle management know its in everyones best interest to bring the average age at Eagle wayyyy down from its present average), it sure looks they will go soon, I think those first 100 guys will go here shortly. Its the only real reason I see for us hiring 100 this year and 400 next year.

On the plus/hopeful/optimistic side, If the 824 went and 100 of the original group still at Eagle went thats 924 guys. That would upgrade the guys hired through 2008, and then some. However here comes someone to blow that all apart with their doom/gloom/shrinkage.

eaglefly

It has nothing to do with the sky. What you need to understand is the SOURCE of this "announcement" and the TIMING. Wonderful claims come and go fom centreport, so this is nothing new. I know it's common among many Eagle pilots to assume every claim by management is factual, that's why you guys cluelessly screwed yourselves with that joke of a contract, but AA pilots are a bit Less gullible. If you want to run around in a giddy state of hysteria over this, be my guest, but IMO you'd be working yourself into a lather a bit prematurely.

My seniority list shows 10,186 pilots and we have roughly 7600 active, so that would leave about 2500 furloghee's, MLOA's, personal leaves and numbered flowthru's floating around out there.

eaglefly

Jesus, now I see why that TA was a shoo-in. Some of you guys are already figuring numbers out over one little paragraph from the most questionable source in the universe and suspiciously timed. If AMR put out a communique stating every Eagle pilot will get a $75,000 check, I'd bet half of you would pull into the employee lots in new Corvettes the next day.

flysooner9

That sounds like fun.

eaglefly

Sure it does.............until you realize you've been had (again) and try to return it.

RyanP

When are people going to stop buying into this crap?? Nobody is going anywhere unless you actually apply to other airlines and get the hell out of this life sucking hole of a company. All the years I've been around this crap company about every 6 months, there is big talk of flow's again. Everybody gets all excited, starts trying to add up numbers and the only thing that ever happens is more stagnation and displacements. (I admit I used to get excited about it too, but no more. It's all BS, fool me once, OK, fool me 37 times? no thanks) That's why this place is so full of lifers.. False hopes and dreams (always juuuuussssst around the corner).

Even if they did offer our top 140 or whatever that # is sometime in the next few years, you think many will actually go? These idiots running the place complaining about longevity costs nonstop just gave a lot of them a pay raise with pay banding.. further entrenching them here for life, and PBS will give them whatever schedule they want. The top guys with half a brain aren't leaving for a HUGE paycut and commuting to reserve at an unstable company hell bent on outsourcing, code sharing and diversifying everything when they don't have many years left before retirement. Most of our top guys (if that day comes again) will bypass and waste that movement. 824 is just a pipe dream.. too many ways for that to never happen.. and then there is USair lurking..

It's not "sky is falling". It's reality here at Eagle. Anybody smart has apps out everywhere else.

Wingtips

This guy represents an unrealistic view on reality, and should not be viewed as anything close to fact. He spent multiple decades at Eagle and only got out via a flow through. That should be a huge red flag on who he is. He now posts over and over again of some kind of future in which everyone is stuck at regionals their entire life, with little hope of moving on......hmm sound familiar!

He soon will have people getting hired at AA and other majors much younger than him and a pipe dream of what he wanted in life. This has nothing to do with the stalled 10 years post 9/11, as he stalled the 10 years prior to 9/11.