First Officer ATP Training
 

How is the first officer ATP training going at different airlines? From what little I've heard, it seems like there are much higher failure rates at some airlines than others. I've heard that lots of FO's at American Eagle are having trouble, but not so much at Republic and Skywest. I've not heard about others.

Pretty high passing rate at PSA. Then again, we do a PC ever year that is pretty much the same thing.

Yeah and I think being in the Sim twice a year helps too. It was very straight forward I thought.

Everybody in my class at 9E has passed their ATP Type Rides as FOs. Little strange though doing everything in the right seat, and then hopping over to the left seat to taxi in.

Its the same PC youve always had, just throw in a single engine missed.

The only thing you have to watch out for is the oral. I did mine over at 9L but I was (my own fault) completely unprepared for weather, aerodynamics and performance questions from the ATP question bank.

95% pass rate at XJT is what I've read in company memo's.

In the beginning there were problems with Eagle's. Now the pass rate fluctuates from 80-90%.

Why you can have a 20% failure rate for upgrades but only have a 3% rate for type/ATP is beyond me. It's Christmas time. Come and get your free ATP.

Because they aren't going to let them sign for airplanes.

Since when does the PTS say anything about that?

This is why many airlines have PFO's, it should be UP or OUT. Can you tell I am sick of flying with the weakest link?

That's in the P&L statement, not the PTS :rolleyes:


There's some truth to that. We got rid of up or out at SKW a year or two ago.

Just my humble opinion, but I would say the Riddle graduates have the highest pass rates over anyone else.

ohh please.

I am being totally serious. You don't graduate from Riddle if you do not know what you are doing. It's like surgeons who graduate from Harvard - not just anyone, but ONLY the best of the best get the privilege of hanging their diploma on their wall.

Has to be a troll...

But you actually have to be someone to get into Harvard. Anyone and their brother can get into Riddle if you got the cash flow. Not the best comparison imo...

Gee, whatever gave you that impression? :D

Oh... WOW.

I graduated from ERAU, and even I know this is beyond flame bait.

One day I hope this person stows their arrogance and ceases to give the rest of us a bad reputation.

Yeah, I got a laugh out of that. It's just like the old adage -

They have a term for the med student who graduates last in their class: Doctor.

Riddlethirst.... I graduated from Riddle too, your right exactly people like that, that give the bad rep for the rest of us

He May Be Serious
 

Posted by "LabRat" in "Hangar Talk" Forum. LMAO

"Getting married this spring. Since my entire life revolves around me being an airline pilot and since the wedding party are airline pilots too, we were thinking of having everyone dress in their respective uniforms for the wedding instead of tuxedoes and dresses. (cheaper to do it this way too)"

"What are your thoughts?"

I prefer this one from Labrat...

Book smarts from the classroom of an "accredited" aviation university will always correlate into a better pilot - even more so than someone with three times the experience, double the type ratings, and a squeaky clean record but no "accredited" aviation degree. In fact, now that I think of it, those "accredited" university degrees will speak multitudes more than a pilot who only has a non-aviation degree from someplace like, say MIT. Thanks for enlightening everyone's knowledge base on statistics, it's people like you that make this world a smarter place.


I'm starting to think this guy is maybe one of the funniest trolls on here.

Awesome attitude! I would just say I had our most difficult APD, my partner and I had zero retrain items and it was just like anyone else who gets an ATP else where....... And my buddy who was typed prior said no easier then his other type ride from another company....

Who knows.... Its not an upgrade obviously, but no one is signing for a plane after this event either......

Some of these pilots receiving PIC type ratings are not yet at ATP minimums. Are they still required to have an ATP Written coming into the PIC checkride even they aren't getting their ATP? Just curious, thanks!

Im pretty sure they are not giving PIC types to people until they have the ATP mins.

What company is this at?? :confused:

XJT, heard it from a buddy of mine over there. Mins for the classes are below ATP mins because they are having trouble filling classes.

I don't know what the numbers are, but I can tell you that they checked my logbooks closely when I just got mine at 9e, and he added up the times to be sure I met the minimums (which I was well over). I asked him what would be done for the guys who didn't meet the minimums and was told that they were still issuing types and ATPs, but with restrictions on them.

I don't know if that was just for being short on things like X-country, or PIC time for ICAO, but I was given the impression that there was some flexibility there.

Why on gods green earth would a regional airline bust balls on a checkride that means absolutely nothing to them other than extra cost to retrain an applicant if they fail the ride. Seriously, this is not an upgrade event. You are not earning another stripe. It's just a check in the box that means you can keep your job come Aug 2013

Do you want your name as the final APD to sign them off and give then a "freebee" type when the guy plants one in the ground and the Feds come asking you why he ran out of fuel or blew a v1 cut? Or immediately jump ship and use his new type to go fly corporate somewhere having had a "freebee" type? The airline might want the cheapest way out, but as an instructor who is overseen by the Feds I sure don't.....with you rationale why even give new hire FO check rides?