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MEMbrain 11-28-2012 01:27 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1300756)
I believe that began in the November A380 bid pack.

No, just an A380 payscale that ALPA idiotically traded the company for 757 narrowbody pay when the company already decided to cancel the A380 order.

Redbird611 11-28-2012 01:57 PM


Originally Posted by fatsopilot (Post 1300744)
I don't understand how this would be that hard to figure out.

Come on now. Post #4 specifically cited FedEx in a way that sounded (to me anyway) separate from the other Memphis businesses. I thought perhaps they had an operational consideration besides the obvious. By posting what I did I learned about all the positioning deadheads out of MEM (post #21). We can't all be as smart as you, but you don't have to be an arrogant d*** about it.

rightside02 11-28-2012 03:16 PM

I agree with the Memphis sucks part... Place is booty !!! Ok sure there are some nice places , however few and far between !!! Good luck to the FDX commuters

Captain Tony 11-29-2012 04:28 AM


Originally Posted by mooney (Post 1300735)
FDX deadheads thousands of pilots out of MEM on Delta to start their trips in a different city (on FDX dime not a commuter/nonrev thing). Having to go thru ATL or another hub eats up lots of their duty time and they can no longer fly on DL AND do their FDX trip the same day. So FDX pays them for another duty day/hotel etc. Its gotten so bad that FDX have been deadheading crews on their corporate lears.


Originally Posted by fatsopilot (Post 1300744)
A company that employees 200,000 people and is based out of Memphis isn't going to care when the airline providing major air service to the city pulls out? Of course they care, it isn't just pilots that travel. I don't understand how this would be that hard to figure out.

You've got to be kidding me. are the airlines in business to subsidize local business? And each other's crews? Is this a government funded thing now?

If the companies based in MEM can't fill a plane (profitably), then their employees need to connect like everyone else, or they need to sign a contract with the airline to subsidize the service like other small markets do. Otherwise, the companies have the choice to boost their corporate flight department or relocate. This isn't a communist country. Either way, it's not the airlines' problem. They answer to their own shareholders.

As for FDX... too stinking bad. DAL has a booming cargo business, and they're probably enjoying turning the screws on FDX.

mooney 11-29-2012 08:04 AM


Originally Posted by USMCFDX (Post 1300750)
Really, what bid pack is that in?

straight from 2 friends and a relative that work there, thank's for trolling though.

mooney 11-29-2012 08:10 AM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1300770)
So Delta is supposed to continue service on low demand, unprofitable routes simply so Fed Ex doesn't have to 2 leg crew members? Maybe Fed Ex should just start chartering airplanes, unless they want to cover the losses on the routes.


Originally Posted by Captain Tony (Post 1301269)
You've got to be kidding me. are the airlines in business to subsidize local business? And each other's crews? Is this a government funded thing now?

If the companies based in MEM can't fill a plane (profitably), then their employees need to connect like everyone else, or they need to sign a contract with the airline to subsidize the service like other small markets do. Otherwise, the companies have the choice to boost their corporate flight department or relocate. This isn't a communist country. Either way, it's not the airlines' problem. They answer to their own shareholders.

As for FDX... too stinking bad. DAL has a booming cargo business, and they're probably enjoying turning the screws on FDX.


you all realize all I did was state a fact right? not that I'm defending or sympathizing with them? or do you just like to come on here and preach to the choir?

Captain Tony 11-29-2012 08:20 AM


Originally Posted by mooney (Post 1301449)
you all realize all I did was state a fact right? not that I'm defending or sympathizing with them? or do you just like to come on here and preach to the choir?


nevermind... not worth my effort.

mooney 11-29-2012 08:23 AM


Originally Posted by Captain Tony (Post 1301463)
nevermind... not worth my effort.


go ahead Tony you usually bash my posts whenever you respond to them why stop now?

fatsopilot 11-29-2012 08:27 AM


Originally Posted by Captain Tony (Post 1301269)
You've got to be kidding me. are the airlines in business to subsidize local business? And each other's crews? Is this a government funded thing now?


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1300770)
So Delta is supposed to continue service on low demand, unprofitable routes simply so Fed Ex doesn't have to 2 leg crew members?

No, they shouldn't if it isn't making them money. No one said they should. If they made promises written or unwritten they should honor those promises however. Other than that this is still a free country. You two clearly read too much into our posts. Overreact much?

mooney 11-29-2012 08:30 AM

^^^^^^^ this thanks Fatso.

USMCFDX 11-30-2012 03:53 PM


Originally Posted by mooney (Post 1301443)
straight from 2 friends and a relative that work there, thank's for trolling though.

You are welcome for trolling, but you are still wrong so pack up your crayons and stop coloring. You don't even work here so shut your pie hole.

The company can not build our bid pack this way so you are incorrect. The Lear can be used once the month has stated to position a crew if needed and it has always been done that way.

In no way is the Delta loss of flights a reason for Lear flights.

IBPilot 11-30-2012 03:59 PM


Originally Posted by USMCFDX (Post 1302601)
You are welcome for trolling, but you are still wrong so pack up your crayons and stop coloring. You don't even work here so shut your pie hole.

The company can not build our bid pack this way so you are incorrect. The Lear can be used once the month has stated to position a crew if needed and it has always been done that way.

In no way is the Delta loss of flights a reason for Lear flights.

so someone hears this straight from 3 Fedex pilots and this is the classy response you come up with? Glad your attitude isn't present in the other 98% of Fedex pilots I have met/given a ride to work. Lemme guess....777? ;) How do you know it was for "building into the bid pack?" What if someone calls in sick and the only way to get a replacement in a timely manner is by Lear since you can't take a Delta flight? to or from MEM?

johnso29 11-30-2012 04:26 PM


Originally Posted by fatsopilot (Post 1301468)
No, they shouldn't if it isn't making them money. No one said they should. If they made promises written or unwritten they should honor those promises however. Other than that this is still a free country. You two clearly read too much into our posts. Overreact much?

The merger happened over 4 years ago, they've kept their promise. They said it would remain a hub. They never stipulated a duration, or a minimum amount of hub flying.

johnso29 11-30-2012 04:29 PM


Originally Posted by mooney (Post 1301449)
you all realize all I did was state a fact right? not that I'm defending or sympathizing with them? or do you just like to come on here and preach to the choir?

Do you have documentation to prove that Fed Ex is "****ed" @ Delta? I haven't seen any facts yet. ;)

mooney 11-30-2012 04:44 PM


Originally Posted by USMCFDX (Post 1302601)
You are welcome for trolling, but you are still wrong so pack up your crayons and stop coloring. You don't even work here so shut your pie hole.

The company can not build our bid pack this way so you are incorrect. The Lear can be used once the month has stated to position a crew if needed and it has always been done that way.

In no way is the Delta loss of flights a reason for Lear flights.


You're right....I completely make up stories/lies and post them here solely so someone like you, who obviously is a greater pilot and more mature than I am since I'm still using crayons, can come on here and bash what I said which I heard firsthand. It really gives me a thrill :rolleyes: And who said anything about a bid pack? :rolleyes:

buzzpat 11-30-2012 04:51 PM


Originally Posted by mooney (Post 1299956)
lots of local businesses are ****ed at DL....and FDX isn't very happy.

When Delta begins their next CEO search, make sure you float your resume. :rolleyes:

mooney 11-30-2012 04:52 PM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1302616)
Do you have documentation to prove that Fed Ex is "****ed" @ Delta? I haven't seen any facts yet. ;)

pretty sure you are being sarcastic, but just in case, I would consider the word of other FDX pilots/schedulers/workers, and the obvious case that MEM lost more than half their nonstop flights to major destinations Fedex serves, a pretty logical reason for FDX to be spending alot more $$ on deadheads. Add to theat the people I know at Buckeye, Medtronics, Pfizer, and about 3 other companies that travel extensively who are not happy and draw your own conclusions.

It should come as no surprise that people who want and were accustomed to one-way service are upset about turning a 2 hour trip into a 5 hour one with a layover in ATL. I shouldn't have to explain that to anyone except a few pilots I guess...

* for the sensitive types that read way too far into posts, I am not defending those companies or bashing Delta :rolleyes:

mooney 11-30-2012 04:55 PM


Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1302631)
When Delta begins their next CEO search, make sure you float your resume. :rolleyes:

? been a long day please 'splain? I'm an ignorant moron because people I know who travel aren't happy with DL? My disclaimer in my previous post might refer to you....:rolleyes: Buzz your posts are usually more mature why step into the regional sandbox and stoop lower?

IBPilot 11-30-2012 05:16 PM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1302616)
Do you have documentation to prove that Fed Ex is "****ed" @ Delta? I haven't seen any facts yet. ;)

careful.....some MOD's might give you an infraction for quoting a "disguised bad word." :D

mooney 11-30-2012 05:24 PM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1302616)
Do you have documentation to prove that Fed Ex is "****ed" @ Delta? I haven't seen any facts yet. ;)


Originally Posted by IBPilot (Post 1302646)
careful.....some MOD's might give you an infraction for quoting a "disguised bad word." :D

Don't worry Johnso29, if another mod wants to give you an infraction, I'll take the heat :D

80ktsClamp 11-30-2012 05:27 PM

That's it, johnso's getting it. I'M TELLING!!!!

johnso29 11-30-2012 06:15 PM


Originally Posted by mooney (Post 1302656)
Don't worry Johnso29, if another mod wants to give you an infraction, I'll take the heat :D

Sometimes, I wish someone would give me an infraction. Give me a 3 day ban! I need the break!!! :D:p

USMCFDX 12-02-2012 05:49 AM


Originally Posted by IBPilot (Post 1302603)
so someone hears this straight from 3 Fedex pilots and this is the classy response you come up with? Glad your attitude isn't present in the other 98% of Fedex pilots I have met/given a ride to work. Lemme guess....777? ;) How do you know it was for "building into the bid pack?" What if someone calls in sick and the only way to get a replacement in a timely manner is by Lear since you can't take a Delta flight? to or from MEM?

Here is a foolish assumption for you to. Lemme guess you are a 500 hour wonder flying an RJ that deserves a Captain seat yesterday.;)

Glad you are impressed by my class and attitude.:D I responded to a statement by someone that doesn't even work here and he continues to spout of about what is happening at a company he doesn't even work for. He also seems to be knowledgeable of the other top companies that are located in Memphis. Maybe he knows when I sohoud by and sell gold too or when the 767 bid will be out. Then again maybe not, I will ask the bus drivers they talk to many more FedEx pilots so they must really know what is going on.

I never disputed the Lears are used to move crews. They have been doing that for years. It is not due to Delta cuts to Memphis.

IBPilot 12-03-2012 07:41 AM


Originally Posted by USMCFDX (Post 1303466)
He also seems to be knowledgeable of the other top companies that are located in Memphis. Maybe he knows when I sohoud by and sell gold too or when the 767 bid will be out. Then again maybe not, I will ask the bus drivers they talk to many more FedEx pilots so they must really know what is going on.

USMCFDX, to say that someone who doesn't work at a company can in no way know of any details as to that company's operations is pretty foolish. I also know several business travelling types in Memphis and they are all saying the same thing Mooney said. That they are unhappy with DL and it is hurting their bottom line. You must live in a pretty insulated cocoon to think otherwise. I'm betting you don't work for our Federal Government but you know that's going on there, right? Oh probably not since according to your logic if you don't work there, you have no clue what is going on anywhere.

proof?

Congressman calls for federal investigation on Delta Airlines in Memphis

(WMC-TV) - Memphis Congressman Steve Cohen is calling for a federal investigation into unfair practices by Delta Airlines in Memphis - as an edgy ad campaign hits the Internet. The ad campaign takes flight as everyday people and business travelers alike take stock of the hurting Delta's putting on their wallet. "Companies used to care about the cities they served. Delta doesn't care about Memphis," said Congressman Steve Cohen. Cohen said the RunwayRobbery ads shows Memphis' frustration with rising prices and fewer flights, after Delta took over Northwest Airlines. He said the Airport Authority needs to get its priorities straight. "Delta is not a Memphian. Delta's a customer," said Cohen.

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Here's the full link. The story has links to the internet campaign mentioned.
http://www.wmctv.com/story/20241582/con ... in-memphis


Now everyone be sure to ask me rhetorical questions about topics I didn't even mention such as "why do I think Delta should hurt their bottom line to help them?" etc....

80ktsClamp 12-03-2012 10:48 AM

Well, other airlines sure seem to be jumping on the what has been voided by DL, don't they IB?


Cohen.... Cohen.... that name sounds familiar.

IBPilot 12-03-2012 11:36 AM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1304201)
Well, other airlines sure seem to be jumping on the what has been voided by DL, don't they IB?


Cohen.... Cohen.... that name sounds familiar.

why are you asking me? Did posting an article somehow state my feelings for or against? Do we need a hug for all the sensitive types that think every post is something negative directed towards them? :D

ShyGuy 12-03-2012 11:45 AM

Hold on, what right or what grounds does a congressman get to dictate how a publicly held company can or should run their business? Is he on their board of directors?

Hey, I think Delta should have a hub in PIT, but guess what, it doesn't and won't. After the merger, it's only logical that some current bases at both Delta and Northwest would shrink. You can't keep all open. It's more efficient to consolidate and close up in certain bases, especially ones so close to each other. CVG is almost gone, DTW increased in size. MEM almost gone, ATL increased.

Tell that congressman to lower the landing fees, gate fees, etc. to attract other LCC airlines into MEM.

80ktsClamp 12-03-2012 11:45 AM


Originally Posted by IBPilot (Post 1304232)
why are you asking me? Did posting an article somehow state my feelings for or against? Do we need a hug for all the sensitive types that think every post is something negative directed towards them? :D

Lol wut?


It was directed at those crying about losing business and having to pay more, and you were directly stating it in your post (in addition to the article). The void that DL is leaving in MEM is not being backfilled by anyone. The demand just isn't there.

IBPilot 12-03-2012 11:50 AM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1304241)
Lol wut?


It was directed at those crying about losing business and having to pay more, and you were directly stating it in your post (in addition to the article). The void that DL is leaving in MEM is not being backfilled by anyone. The demand just isn't there.

exactly...I stated it, I did not say I agree with them. I just thought it was odd that USMCFDX called the other guy an idiot and didn't believe him for saying the same thing this article says, which is why I posted it.

The reason I asked you was because, 98% of the time someone on this board asks a rhetorical question towards a post that has a news article in it, they think that the poster shares the feelings of the news article or is defending it for some reason.....I've gotten PM's before asking me why I feel that way for simply posting an article, which is odd. If I post an article about Bama someone will email me accusing me of hating Stanford or some crap like that. I think I need another beer :)

80ktsClamp 12-03-2012 12:02 PM


Originally Posted by IBPilot (Post 1304244)
exactly...I stated it, I did not say I agree with them. I just thought it was odd that USMCFDX called the other guy an idiot and didn't believe him for saying the same thing this article says, which is why I posted it.

The reason I asked you was because, 98% of the time someone on this board asks a rhetorical question towards a post that has a news article in it, they think that the poster shares the feelings of the news article or is defending it for some reason.....

My quick response was poorly worded, so I'll take the blame there. :)

IBPilot 12-03-2012 12:04 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1304258)
My quick response was poorly worded, so I'll take the blame there. :)

want to join me for the beer? :) I actually thought at first you did it on purpose just cause of my last sentence that said don't as me any rhetorical questions since it's not my view :)

80ktsClamp 12-03-2012 12:35 PM


Originally Posted by IBPilot (Post 1304261)
want to join me for the beer? :) I actually thought at first you did it on purpose just cause of my last sentence that said don't as me any rhetorical questions since it's not my view :)

I'll be right there after I walk the dog and meet the wife at Ruby Tuesday. :)

tim123 12-03-2012 03:16 PM

[QUOTE=ShyGuy;1304240]Hold on, what right or what grounds does a congressman get to dictate how a publicly held company can or should run their business? Is he on their board of directors?



If you look at what party he belongs to it can answer your question.

USMCFDX 12-04-2012 09:47 AM


Originally Posted by IBPilot (Post 1304244)
exactly...I stated it, I did not say I agree with them. I just thought it was odd that USMCFDX called the other guy an idiot and didn't believe him for saying the same thing this article says, which is why I posted it.

I didn't call him and idiot, but you must have read my mind. Where does the article that FedEx is using the Lear to ferry crews due to the loss of Delta flying?

Again they have always used the Lear and our own planes to DH crews when operationally necessary.

TheFly 12-04-2012 09:57 AM

Why would FDX be upset?


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