How many days until Pinnacle Shuts Down?
 

My personal guess is that it will sharply follow a mirror image of ComAir's path.



Better use up all your sick time while you can!!!

Ouch man...

Everyone knows 9 E is going through tough times. But why such a intense comment ? Care to share why you think it's ends is so near or abrupt like OH's ??

Sure, Delta management announced earlier this year that they were to park around 125 CRJ-200's. We've all seen that it's no problem for an ASA, ComAir, Mesaba, or Pinnacle airplane to float from one carrier to another. The leases can be transfered easily.

Some will say, Pinnacle has the newest CRJ-200 fleet, which keeps them safe from the cutbacks, but that's irrelavant given the history of the Delta Regionals swapping planes around.

I do not have a crystal ball, but with a death threat from Delta mainline to take huge concessions or qoute "wind down the operation" is not a bluff when their written plans on their SEC filings show to park 125 CRJ-200's. The scope at Delta is black and white on how many 76 seat CRJ's can be flown by regionals.

If you think Pinnacle will grow, your not reading the news. Pinnacle will not stay the same size. Pinnacle will either shrink or "wind down operations."

Delta shows no remorse on winding down an operation. Just look at ComAir. And they have NO LOYALTY to keep Pinnacle. This is a historical fact.

The meat and potatoes of their operation is their mainline fleet of 723 total airplanes. The regional industry is just a side operation. Think of the regionals as a Starbuchs in a Barnes and Noble bookstore.

Pinnacle has everything out of control right now. If you were Delta, and your written plans in your SEC filings were to cut out a CRJ-200 operation that was the size of Pinnacle, would you cut Pinnacle, Skywest, GoJet's, ASA?

I'm betting on unless they get huge concessions from labor groups and can get management to fix their wasteful spending, then Pinnacle will be null and void by June of 2013. So take your vacation before June, and start burning out your sick time now, while picking up open time on your off days.

I hope that answered your question.

True.

"Remorse?" "Loyalty?" Those are pilots' downfalls.

Management is not burdened by those very, very expensive emotions. We shouldn't be, either.

Just dont do it in the same month or you'll be shooting yourself in the foot.

I like this ^ eye for en eye.

BKS is getting crushed by e-books and Amazon. A lot of people now only go in there for the coffee and to find an idea to buy online. Is there a better example?

How about this one...

Against the windows in the JFK food court (Delta Terminal) there are three Mrs. Pac Man video games right next to each other. Yes, three. And they're all plugged in. People obviously don't go to JFK to play Mrs. Pac Man.

Delta is like the JFK airport.

And Pinnacle is like one of those Mrs. Pac Man games. The one on the right, to be more specific.

Oh yes, the mighty one on the right. It's got a busted screen, but no parts to fix it. Oh yea, and a bunch of tool bags at the helm.

It appears about 27% of the present electorate is in denial.

Delta is a female dog with a litter to feed. Pinnacle is currently the runt. Only so much milk to go around. If Delta decides to stop letting Pinnacle suck her teets, then the runt dies.

Shut down will be over 18-24 months, anything less would not be feasible or cost effective for Delta. FO's and ambitious CA's will have plenty of time to bail, lifers and pilots with skeletons in the closet are in for a world of hurt and poverty.

I don't work there (though I am a former regional puke) but:

This is a dick thread.

I thought with the decade of stagnation that commuter guys weren't still mostly in their 20's. Guess I was wrong.

If it does happen, do you guys want to look back on this and say "I was right!" or "damn I was off by 6 months"?

Its just bad manners. And stupid.

May as well also start these polls:
When will Southwest take concessions?
When will FedEx get UAVs?
When will UPS close its air division?
When will Great Lakes cease operation?

Dumb.

When will skypine stop crying about APC threads?

I just think it's dumb, bro.

I flew for an airline that went CH7 (ATA). And it kind of sucks knowing there is a likelihood you're going to lose your job and have to take a lower paying one. Or unemployment.

People posting polls about "Hey! How long before your airline doesn't exist anymore" is just gay. It sounds almost gleeful. Maybe the OP actually flies for Pinnacle and not a competing regional. And isn't not so secretly glad his competing regional might be getting more planes. Or maybe he doesn't, and is. It's still simply a **** thread. And I felt like expressing it.

Anyway, I guess the commuters are still full of 24 year olds. I wouldn't have had a problem with this thread back then.

Carry on with your poll

And calling the regionals "commuters" is not bad manners? Maybe when you old guys finally retire like you should have 5 years ago we 24 year olds won't have to constantly talk about our "commuters" closing down.

Whatever dude.

Still in bad taste to start a-chomping-at-the-bit thread about when another commuter/"regional"/NATIONAL/even MAJOR (Hey, when I flew at Skywest we were a "major" according to some revenue accounting system.....) airline tanks and good people have to look for likely lower paying jobs than they already had.

Anyone who goes to work for that outfit is already more than likely inundated with conversation topics, often gloomy, that he/she doesn't feel like engaging in. And yet might have to spend 10+ legs with some dip**** that does.

And then has to hear about about "a poll on APC says most people think we have 6 months left! What are you going to do? I have a buddy at Emirates/Cathay/Etihad/FedEx/UPS/Southwest/a Blue Dart at JBLU blah blah..."

I think most dudes currently flying for Pinnacle have as realistic an idea that is possible about what could/may/can't/likely happen. Which is to say "None, whatsoever." But they're taking their own measures. No need to rub **** in with this poll while you at XYZ airline hope they close so your upgrade speeds up....


Anyway, just think you should close this thread. You 24 year old ******s.

Ahh, well, I sat on it a while and decided, Ive said my piece. I dont work there but my old U of I roomie and still good friend to this day still does (was on the Mesaba side before the merge). So I was kind of thinking of his reaction to this **** if he'd read it. Thankfully, he doesn't Closed down FI along time ago and never even opened up an APC account.

Whatever, you guys get jobs where you can. Later dudes.

Thanks for that "alternative" view.

There are Captains here at Pinnacle applying for first officer jobs at other regionals to beat the rush when it shuts down. Just trying to get a pulse of how realistic this is. It's hard to read management letters saying they are either going to "shrink" or "wind-down the operation.". It's already shrunk a good 800 pilots so far.

I have absolutely no idea. I thought Delta would either finish Comair quick or eventually do something worthwile with us. If I had known they would take seven years to grind us into powder, I would have left in 2005.

The timeline is Delta's. The price of gas and 717s are my only data points.

I understand your anger, but I think it is misplaced. I didn't take the original post as a slap in the face. I took it as an honest question. I am trying to decide what I will do and when, and other people's thoughts, while not absolute guidance, give me a second opinion on my own thoughts.

I thank you for defending us from disrespectful folks, but this time, I think the op was asking an honest question.

Update says mgt will not head back to court for the 1113c.

Probably because they don't have the cash to get it done and Delta isn't going to finance the morons at 1 Commerce anymore.

Disregard option 4 above...

So total shut down, or just a 200 wind down with no 1113 follow up?

I find it kind of odd they wouldn't go back to court, in the previous XJ bankruptcy I believe they refiled three times. I guess it is possible we are close to an agreement.

I would say if they are close to an agreement, what's the point if going back to court?

As an executive, if you knew you were going to completely wind-down, why would you bother going back to court? Since when has any "close agreement" (or any dealing at all) with ALPA influenced anything with corporate?

Answer: Never

That sounds like pretty bad news for the company...

Then why do you have seniority system and seniority-based pay?

Get rid of seniority-based pay and end the whipsaw. It doesn't take an MBA to see two guys doing the same job - one for $100/hour and the other for $60/hour and ask why should there be such disparity between guys doing the same job and then insist that the job gets done for $60/hour as opposed to $100/hour.

Classy. At least pretend to hide the fangs.

Best Buy, or better yet the now defunct Circuit City.

It's shut down time boys!