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32LTangoTen 12-12-2012 09:58 AM

AMR in talks for 200 new ERJ's
 
AMR makes public plans to purchase 200 new Embraer regional jets to be flown by a currently undisclosed pilot group.

UPDATE 1-Brazil's Embraer to meet guidance this year, CEO says

amcnd 12-12-2012 10:07 AM

Your post title is a little off base...

MasterOfPuppets 12-12-2012 10:12 AM


Originally Posted by 32LTangoTen (Post 1310043)
AMR makes public plans to purchase 200 new Embraer regional jets to be flown by a currently undisclosed pilot group.

UPDATE 1-Brazil's Embraer to meet guidance this year, CEO says

Not really what the article says. Lets wait for the announcement we all know big RJs are coming to be flown by someone. So lets not jump the gun lets just wait for AA to announce something.

32LTangoTen 12-12-2012 10:13 AM

That's what happens when you read it and get excited. Make a thread. Then read a second time! Ha!

jumpseat2024 12-12-2012 10:14 AM

AMR purchases 200 new Embraer regional jets
 
do they consider E-190s regional jets?

Diver Driver 12-12-2012 10:23 AM

Misleading title fixed.

Senior Skipper 12-12-2012 10:52 AM

Reuters
Top News
UPDATE 2-Embraer sees sales rebound on U.S. orders, new aircraft
Wed, Dec 12 14:42 PM EST


Embraer is in preliminary talks with American Eagle, which can now fly more than 200 jets with up to 76 seats, Silva said...
2 questions:

Where does it say that AMR is buying 200 planes? It says that they are now allowed to operate up to 200 jets.

They are in talks with "American Eagle". Is that the old AE (the company), or the new AE (the brand)?

32LTangoTen 12-12-2012 10:56 AM

What r you quoting? Who said AE?

"Embraer is in "preliminary talks" with American Airlines on that contract, Silva added."

Senior Skipper 12-12-2012 11:09 AM

I'm quoting the article you linked to.

EDIT: It seems the site has changed the content. Your original post has "UPDATE 1" while mine has "UPDATE 2".

I bet these same people publish the Jepps...:)

CANAM 12-12-2012 11:10 AM

Okay SJS kids, take it easy. The industry is messed up enough without everybody wondering who's gonna get to fly the EMB190s for $21,000/year and only further ruining their own career prospects. If anybody gets to fly "large" RJs for American, it will litterally kill the need for (real) American to hire for a long long time. But, hey, at least the jets are indeed neat and shiny.

PilotJ3 12-12-2012 11:11 AM

Well,,, so Compass, RAH are the only ones with E-jet program. Unless American Eagle have already started the process backdoors.

PilotJ3 12-12-2012 11:12 AM


Originally Posted by CANAM (Post 1310109)
Okay SJS kids, take it easy. The industry is messed up enough without everybody wondering who's gonna get to fly the EMB190s for $21,000/year and only further ruining their own career prospects. If anybody gets to fly "large" RJs for American, it will litterally kill the need for (real) American to hire for a long long time. But, hey, at least the jets are indeed neat and shiny.

Well, I hope they buy 195 to AA. Nothing bigger than 170/175 for regionals.

80ktsClamp 12-12-2012 11:13 AM

I can tell you who's NOT going to be flying these airplanes....

bgmann 12-12-2012 11:16 AM


Originally Posted by Senior Skipper (Post 1310108)
I'm quoting the article you linked to.

EDIT: It seems the site has changed the content. Your original post has "UPDATE 1" while mine has "UPDATE 2".

I bet these same people publish the Jepps...:)

I think everyone is confused cus I noticed too the article keeps getting edited on a regular basis. They've edited it several times since noon.

Senior Skipper 12-12-2012 11:24 AM


Originally Posted by bgmann (Post 1310116)
I think everyone is confused cus I noticed too the article keeps getting edited on a regular basis. They've edited it several times since noon.

I'm noticing that too. In the past 15 minutes, they've removed the "Update 2", then put it back. I think we need to wait until the close of business today to figure out what's going on.

bgmann 12-12-2012 11:34 AM

The article said American eagle will be flying the new Embraer KC-390 flying rubber dog ____ out of hong kong. Oh wait...they just deleted it in the article. But it was in there ;)

What 12-12-2012 11:57 AM


Originally Posted by CANAM (Post 1310109)
Okay SJS kids, take it easy. The industry is messed up enough without everybody wondering who's gonna get to fly the EMB190s for $21,000/year and only further ruining their own career prospects. If anybody gets to fly "large" RJs for American, it will litterally kill the need for (real) American to hire for a long long time. But, hey, at least the jets are indeed neat and shiny.

The E190 comment I believe refers to AA creating a B-scale for this aircraft on the TA.

workingforfree 12-12-2012 12:04 PM


Originally Posted by jumpseat2024 (Post 1310057)
do they consider E-190s regional jets?


Let's hope that if they do, that the "group" flying them are pilots at American Airlines.... and not the feed/contract carriers (aka regionals).

workingforfree 12-12-2012 12:06 PM


Originally Posted by CANAM (Post 1310109)
Okay SJS kids, take it easy. The industry is messed up enough without everybody wondering who's gonna get to fly the EMB190s for $21,000/year and only further ruining their own career prospects. If anybody gets to fly "large" RJs for American, it will litterally kill the need for (real) American to hire for a long long time. But, hey, at least the jets are indeed neat and shiny.

Well, and accurately said.

(Also, those SJS kids tell everyone they "fly for American Airlines" anyway.

I can't even begin to count the amount of people I hear or see do it on Facebook.

It does make one laugh just a bit though :)

jumpseat2024 12-12-2012 12:21 PM


Originally Posted by What (Post 1310143)

Originally Posted by CANAM (Post 1310109)
Okay SJS kids, take it easy. The industry is messed up enough without everybody wondering who's gonna get to fly the EMB190s for $21,000/year and only further ruining their own career prospects. If anybody gets to fly "large" RJs for American, it will litterally kill the need for (real) American to hire for a long long time. But, hey, at least the jets are indeed neat and shiny.

The E190 comment I believe refers to AA creating a B-scale for this aircraft on the TA.

Yes..there was actually some thought behind my question..not "ooh me get to fly big plane!"

I just didn't have time to elaborate because I was in line at wal-mart buying more hair gel :rolleyes:

lakehouse 12-12-2012 12:40 PM

I bet they put the 175s over 5 years at the current AMR Eagle and then bid out all the other flying to other airlines who have extra 50 seaters. They get a good exchange rate on these things with EMJ while trading in all the EMJs we have now. Just a guess, but it matches the planned 210ish planes planned to be at current Eagle, and the price of 50 seat feed is going to a good deal going forward.

flyboy626 12-12-2012 01:33 PM

The 190 or 195 to fit in with US airways

What 12-12-2012 01:40 PM


Originally Posted by flyboy626 (Post 1310198)
The 190 or 195 to fit in with US airways

Or JetBlue!

MEMbrain 12-12-2012 03:00 PM


Originally Posted by workingforfree (Post 1310150)
Well, and accurately said.

(Also, those SJS kids tell everyone they "fly for American Airlines" anyway.

I can't even begin to count the amount of people I hear or see do it on Facebook.

It does make one laugh just a bit though :)

I hope you pointed out their error and corrected them on who they truly work for? That's just as bad as the FedEx feeder Caravan pilots who tell people that they fly for FedEx.

RJ Pilot 12-12-2012 03:06 PM

Thanks APA.

TillerEnvy 12-12-2012 03:58 PM


I bet they put the 175s over 5 years at the current AMR Eagle and then bid out all the other flying to other airlines who have extra 50 seaters. They get a good exchange rate on these things with EMJ while trading in all the EMJs we have now. Just a guess, but it matches the planned 210ish planes planned to be at current Eagle, and the price of 50 seat feed is going to a good deal going forward.
You bet that or hope that??

freezingflyboy 12-12-2012 04:25 PM


Originally Posted by workingforfree (Post 1310150)
Well, and accurately said.

(Also, those SJS kids tell everyone they "fly for American Airlines" anyway.

I can't even begin to count the amount of people I hear or see do it on Facebook.

It does make one laugh just a bit though :)

Have you ever TRIED to explain the regional/mainline relationship to a lay person? It's just sooooo much easier to say (in my example) United Express rather than have the whole conversation, especially if the conversation is with someone I don't REALLY want to talk to in the first person (girlfriend's obnoxious know-it-all friend, looney toon next to you on the commute or deadhead, etc...). I have nothing to prove to that person, just trying to save myself some pain. Now if the guy says "Oh, Express? Which one?" I am more than happy to go further. Otherwise, let's just leave it at that.

Sorry for the drift, just get tired of guys who think an RJ puke is trying to impress anyone.

lakehouse 12-12-2012 04:27 PM


Originally Posted by TillerEnvy (Post 1310274)
You bet that or hope that??

Its just my guess, 50 seat feed is about to be really cheap, and AMR has been rumored for a swap out for the current EMJS. Only time will tell, but just my guess.

skillett 12-13-2012 01:00 AM


Originally Posted by MEMbrain (Post 1310244)
I hope you pointed out their error and corrected them on who they truly work for? That's just as bad as the FedEx feeder Caravan pilots who tell people that they fly for FedEx.

MEMbrain, does it matter. Here you are again boasting bout your Fedex status. I'm tired of you mainline/major box carrier pukes talking bout how much better you are than us regional guys. Believe me if there was some movement I would have been there years ago. I would take one of those Beech 1900 guys in the cockpit in hell or high water over you guys if my life depended on it any day. This is reality, regionals are going to provide half of the domestic flying for years to come. You can't pay a mainline FO 36,000 a year at the top of the pay scale. At a regional you can and your airline stays competitive. Until this so-called shortage kicks in full boar, this is the way it is. It's life, it sucks, be happy you have a good job, and don't talk down to people.

skillett 12-13-2012 01:17 AM

Truthfully I'm embarrassed to say who I work for and most people don't understand anyway. It's been hell trying to get a mainline job the last ten years if you haven't noticed. So let the kids lie a little bit. It doesn't hurt anybody unless there acting like asses. And your not a better person or pilot because you work for a mainline. Just remember that.

todd1200 12-13-2012 03:53 AM


Originally Posted by skillett (Post 1310502)
Truthfully I'm embarrassed to say who I work for... And your not a better person or pilot because you work for a mainline. Just remember that.

Then why be embarrassed?

skillett 12-13-2012 10:32 AM

We have good pilots and people where I work. It's just sometimes i feel like I pulled up to the country club party in a green Pinto.

skillett 12-13-2012 10:42 AM

Anyway back to the subject. There was a news article on google several months ago about Republic and AA ordering 100 RJ's from Embraer. Did no one see this? Just from what I'm seeing now, I know there are quiet a few pilots on the streets, but most of these guys aren't showing up to these regional interviews. If regionals are having a hard time filling classes now, wait 3 years. Mainline will eventually get this flying back.

N927EV 12-13-2012 11:45 AM


Originally Posted by skillett (Post 1310920)
Anyway back to the subject. There was a news article on google several months ago about Republic and AA ordering 100 RJ's from Embraer. Did no one see this? Just from what I'm seeing now, I know there are quiet a few pilots on the streets, but most of these guys aren't showing up to these regional interviews. If regionals are having a hard time filling classes now, wait 3 years. Mainline will eventually get this flying back.

Where is that article? I remember seeing one that said they expressed interest in doing so. But, I don't recall seeing a firm order. Plus if they did, why are they talking COLAs in the E jet?

N927EV 12-13-2012 11:57 AM


Originally Posted by Glayvin (Post 1310987)

Where does it say they ordered 100 RJs for AA? And it dates back to September. Months before the AA TA. How would they have done that with no contract?

johnso29 12-13-2012 12:45 PM

.............

snippercr 12-13-2012 01:03 PM


Originally Posted by workingforfree (Post 1310150)
Well, and accurately said.

(Also, those SJS kids tell everyone they "fly for American Airlines" anyway.

I can't even begin to count the amount of people I hear or see do it on Facebook.

It does make one laugh just a bit though :)

That's strange... my check says "American Airlines" on it...

Mason32 12-13-2012 03:42 PM


Originally Posted by MEMbrain (Post 1310244)
I hope you pointed out their error and corrected them on who they truly work for? That's just as bad as the FedEx feeder Caravan pilots who tell people that they fly for FedEx.

What does it say on their deposit the bank gets? That's who they work for.

lakehouse 12-14-2012 12:55 AM


Originally Posted by Mason32 (Post 1311213)
What does it say on their deposit the bank gets? That's who they work for.

Mine says American Airlines Reg Salary....

for now

Senior Skipper 12-14-2012 06:22 AM


Originally Posted by Mason32 (Post 1311213)
What does it say on their deposit the bank gets? That's who they work for.


Originally Posted by rickt86 (Post 1311493)
Mine says American Airlines Reg Salary....

for now

You're a mainline guy! Congratulations! All this time you had us fooled- thinking you were a regional pilot.:D


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