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Old 12-22-2012, 07:28 AM
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You're right dingo. I forgot about that. That means it will only take me 20 years instead of 20 years 1 month to get my interview.
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Old 12-22-2012, 07:29 AM
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Another possible flaw with this: if delta interviews and rejects 12 of our guys, they are still pinnacle captains, that's 12 less upgrades at pinnacle. You get where I'm going with this: if you don't upgrade you don't get the interview /.
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Old 12-22-2012, 07:31 AM
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What if most of the CA's are lifers.
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Old 12-22-2012, 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by CrakPipeOvrheat View Post
12 or 1/3 per month, whichever is lower through 2016. So basically a max of 12, could be less. Then 15 in 2017 and 20 in 2018 and beyond.

12 9E pilots x 12 months =144 x 4 years = 576

15 x 12 = 180 in 2017

20 x 12 = 240 a year x 5 years = 1200

Max hiring at delta over the next 10 years for 9E pilots under the bridge agreement:

576 + 180 + 1200 = 1956 pilots.

The problem with this is we have 2300 pilots and this is the absolute maximum possible hired.

If delta does not hire one month numbers go down. If 1/3 of the new hires in a month is less than 12, 15, or 20, given the year, then numbers go down.

We have heard delta will not hire in 2013. That reduces this number by 144 right off the bat. If they only hire 15 in a month in 2014 only 5 pinnacle pilots would be hired those months.

Delta has 3600 mandatory retirements in the next 10 years. 9E pilots will be restricted to a lot less than 1/3 of that because of the low hiring or no hiring months.
I'd be curious to know how many senior guys are gonna be part of the SSP? As stated before a good majority of the top 500-600 guys are still at pinnacle because the dont qualify to move on to a mainline. The required college degree eliminates a big chunk of the NMFC. We also have quiet a few who cannot fly to Canada.
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Old 12-22-2012, 07:38 AM
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While that reduces the number of pilots that need to interview, it also reduces the number of captain positions available.
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Old 12-22-2012, 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by dingo222 View Post
dont the mesaba flows go in addition to the pcl agreement? I dont think there are many left, but will add a few moving out in the early stages.

there is a lot more to add, i'm not a fan of this ta but....

-100 mesaba pilots not in that number, they are additional
-this is three to four times the rate of pinnacle pilots that were hired in 0708,10 without pref treatment
-the numbers of pilots that get passed over for hire don't count in the numbers that have to come over, which will be substantial in the higher seniority numbers. this will get to junior guys much much faster than a flow would ever
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Old 12-22-2012, 07:46 AM
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Trying to understand the "why" of this agreement. This jumped out at me.

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1. C. iii

The commitments in Section 1.a-b cease to be available six months after the amenable date of the new restructured Pinnacle pilot collective bargaining agreement ....
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So, don't you dare try to recover from your concessionary pay rates. If you do, your scope section which binds Delta vanishes.

Is this nothing more than ALPA locking in low cost outsourcing?
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Old 12-22-2012, 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by PinnacleFO View Post
This will only benifit Mesaba pilots and this is why. You have to be a captain to get the interview. Mesaba pilots are entitled to. 279 900 spots. Pinnacle is entitled to 95 spots, colgan is entitled to nothing. At 7 crews per plane there will be roughly 567 captains. That ratio will continue to exist for 4 more years. When mesabas 108 flow, they will be replaced with 108 Mesaba fos. While colgan and pinnacle displace. It will b challenging for colgan and pinnacle to gain their captain spots back because of this quota. And then once you upgrade you need a year in seat Even if you have already been a captain before/. I'm not knocking Mesaba pilots I'm just simply stating some facts feel free to correct me if I'm wrong
It will be only mesaba pilots with guaranteed captain slots right? Am I missing something ? Pinnacle is losing all their crj900s so they have no protecte slots. The remaining captains go to anyone who has the seniority.
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Old 12-22-2012, 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Pinchanickled View Post
Yea, your right. It's just so hard to stay positive when your losing your job and right now Mesa isn't even hiring.

I just don't want to end up with Ten Years Gone in my career or more.
3 times, I have been "job-less" in this industry. The 10 years gone might be a blessing as long as you are not considering yourself a victim. Get more education, start a business, do something.

Like I said before, you seem to have the passion and I truly think you will succeed in your career as long as you stay positive, be diligent and don't "become" a help-less victim. Just remember, no-one is safe in this industry. Having back-ups are a good thing. The sooner you can manage that, the brighter the future.

TEN
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Old 12-22-2012, 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Saabs View Post
It will be only mesaba pilots with guaranteed captain slots right? Am I missing something ? Pinnacle is losing all their crj900s so they have no protecte slots. The remaining captains go to anyone who has the seniority.
Bloch doesn't differentiate between XJ 900's and 9E 900's.

It is a flat ratio, if you lose 16 900's you lose:

XJ - 78
9E - 27 spots

The question I don't know the answer about the Bloch award is what happens to the ratios with additional airframes added after the award.
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