Skyw's pay proposal....
 

Any thoughts? Im pretty disappointed...:(

It's another slap in the face. I have a feeling it will be voted down again, and we'll be stuck for at least another year with the current rates, until the next garbage pay proposal comes out, gets voted down, and so on and so on.

Sad thing is I don't think any player in the regional industry is going to raise the bar. I don't think having ALPA/any other union would have helped us either. The only way it will ever change is if pilots finally decide they don't want to work for these wages anymore, and I don't see that happening, at least anytime soon.

Overall, I'm pretty disappointed myself. I was hoping the $19/hour wages would get a little bit more of a boost than what is proposed. I also find it bogus that the pilots don't get the override if they don't break daily and monthly guarantee. If I'm wrong about that, please correct me. But that is what I've heard about it so far.

When is the vote?

im happy with my 23 cent pay raise. hmmmm what to do with all this money



however, this vote will pass, for reasons that i cant comprehend

Yeah, everyone should go ahead and take what is offered, otherwise it will be nada.

If it bothers you enough, you can vote for alpa afterwards, if you think that will help. But don't turn down even a little free money.

A little free money? I fly the EMB120 and am in my 3rd year here, so there's not even a little money in it for me. Why SAPA would condone any proposal that doesn't include us is beyond me. It's not like we work any less hard than the jet guys, or are any less affected by inflation/cost of living. If this passes, talk about a divided pilot group. So my vote will definitely be no. As for ALPA, still not sure about that yet......

I would be more inclined to vote this in if it were for two years, not four. The minute raise in first year FO pay is insulting. How can they justify paying someone $19 going to $20 in four years? I would be willing to venture most regionals first year jet pay will be around $24 by 2010??? Mesa, CHQ, XJT, TSA are already higher and I would think they would go up by 2010 to substansially more than $20/hour. And of course, how can they not give the Bro guys a raise? What is up with that? I would be surprised if this passed.

perhaps I'm biased based on my current position in the airline, but i dont think pay at SkyWest is all that bad except for first year F/O pay is an absolute joke, and the new pay package did very little to change my opinion on that. If SkyWest wants to continue to recruit for the growth they anticipate, it's an area that needs to be addressed badly. It's pretty sad when TSA has better pay.

Where cane we find the proposed payrates? They're not on the APC SKW site.

take what's posted and multiply by 1.01

The only incentive that the bro people have is the assumption that they will fly the jet in the near future. You'd think the company would realize that it will be hard to pass this if the bro guys all vote no...maybe that's what they want?

A 1% pay raise? The pay raise I just got at my mall retail job was 3%!

What a joke. I told my fiancee (who flies the Bro) that I would be for even the 1% but for everyone. Like the company is going to go out of business if it gives the 600 Bro pilots 1%? I am ready to write a hate letter to Brad Holt or whoever is in charge of this slap in the face myself. They should be ashamed of themselves. To give nothing to anyone is more respectable than this insult.

Thats kinda cool that you fly a 76 and your future husband is on the 120. :) I bet I know who wears the pants in the relationship hehe ;)

Skywest has some of the best hourly rates & work rules in the regional industry. That said, it is very, very disappointing that Skywest is unwilling to pay more than $20 bucks per hour to fly up to 76 seat aircraft.

What is even more disappointing is SAPA can't/won't fight for more and it seems a many Skywest pilots are willing to accept such a ****-poor hourly rate for first-year FOs.

Good point

Guys don't vote it down. If we do then we'll get nothing anytime soon. I say vote it in and go union. If we vote it down then when we go union we’ll have our current pay and for the next 1-4 years. We can't expect management to negotiate like Southwest and get a great contract in 1 year. Its obvious SKW has lost it's commitment to us.

I say ”TAKE THE MONEY AND SLAP THEM IN THE FACE WITH THE UNION!!!!!!!!”

That argument is really shooting yourself in the foot....If you committ to a deal for 4 more years, there will be nothing the union can do for 4 years. Unions work happens when contracts near their expiration/expire. Getting a union itself is no "slap in the face." Get the union and give it a chance to improve the situation.

It's obvious that you don't understand "At Will Employment." There is NO CONTRACT, PERIOD. Management is able to change our work rules and pay as they wish. This is one of many reasons why SKW will go union. If we accept the current proposal and go union then our current pay does not become a contract because there is "NO" contract. No, what happens is that the current work rules and pay are recognized under the RLA and any changes to them can be seen as illegal. The RLA prevents companies from penalizing a labor group by changing pay or work rules as a punishment for voting in a union.

Just ask Allegiant. They voted in a union and management punished them by changing pay and quality of life. The union filed a lawsuit under the RLA and won back pay for the labor group.

WE HAVE NO CONTRACT AT SKW AND THE CURRENT PAY PROPOSAL IS NOT A CONTRACT!!!!!

Because we have no contract, there is no restriction on when we can start negotiating our FIRST CONTRACT.

Bogus data here. Skywest pilots can take the offered raise (do it, it's free money) and then vote in a union if desired. The union will then begin negotiations, but the current rates are locked in until the new union negotiates a contract, at which point the new contract takes effect.

I see what you guys mean..... my mistake. That is however getting the cart in front of the horse assuming that the union will be voted in.... dont know the status of that with the pilot group....

I think that the pilot group here at SKW will vote in the union. After all the unchallenged changes and implementations SKW pilots have had enough. Mgmnt has asked a lot of us and all we’ve received are broken promises. 99% of all the pilots I speak to on line are ready to vote, YES. It's sad; if Mgmnt wanted to keep us non-union they could, it wouldn't be that hard, just take care of us and give us a compromising say in changes to our work rules. The newest pay proposal is a slap in the face for 80% of our pilots.

Not that this is necessarily the right reason to vote in ALPO but this pay proposal (or lack thereof for the Bro guys) has pretty much been the straw that broke the camel's back. My fiancee is voting for it only because he is so ****ed about the lack of raise for the Bro pilots. I agree with him. I mean, we have been at other regionals and Skywest is by far the best but this is one shady deal too many. Like I said - the straw that broke the camel's back. Looks like airline management has become master at dividing pilot groups which is what they are pretty much doing with this POS slap in the face proposal.

Sorry to hear everyone. My friend just showed me the proposal. It stinks for you. I find it interesting that they increase first year pay so little. OUT OF POCKET for SKYW (IF) they hire 1000 pilots AND they all work 1000/hrs a year is equivalant to $230,000. And if they don't hire. . . . That cost goes away. I saw where they got the money. http://finance.yahoo.com/q/it?s=SKYW

Jerry sold 10,000 shares.
1-Nov-06 ATKIN JERRY C
Officer 10,000 Direct Automatic Sale at $26.42 per share. $264,200

WHAT AN INSULT. SKYW just paid a QUARTERLY dividend of over $1.9 million to shareholders. This is QUARTERLY.

Also, in addition I did a little research myself. . . . Even with the 1% increase and Override, SKYW is still 7%-12% BELOW industry standards for the 70 seater.

Rough Average for this industry vs. SKYW

Industry Avg. SkyWest $ DIFF SKYW
Year Crj700 Captain Captain Underpaid
1 $63.50 $56.60 $6.90 -12.19%
2 $65.40 $58.40 $7.00 -11.99%
3 $67.50 $60.10 $7.40 -12.31%
4 $69.50 $62.00 $7.50 -12.10%
5 $71.50 $64.00 $7.50 -11.72%




I suggest that you guys vote your SAPA folks out and really get someone to work for you. Apparently, Turboprop pilots don't mean much AND apparently neither does a non-union company.


SAPA
Dave Alden-President
[email protected]

Jim Black-Vice President
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Mike Eisenstat-Secretary
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i am a new hire at skw. let me just say i am disgusted by the way the SAPA guys have come in here and tried to fill our heads with BS. i really did come in here with an open mind. now that ive heard them talk all week, i realize how far off they really are.

heres my favorite quote of the week: "youre going to be very happy with this proposal." No Jim, im not happy with it, and not because they didnt raise first year pay. Im more disappointed because YOU TOLD ME i was going to be happy with it, KNOWING FULL WELL, that it was a miserable pay package.


stop lying to me SAPA.

Is the dude high? How can he say anyone would be happy getting less than the last VOTED DOWN proposal and screwing the Brasilia pilots?
I emailed all the SAPA guys and told them they should be ashamed of themselves. We'll see if they write me back.

Freightpuppy.............. you are on a 767 that makes you sexy as hell, just thought Id tell ya

Voting in Alpa isn't going to change anything for the better. Don't think that voting in alpa will give you comairs rates. If anything JA will start taking away things. Skywest doesn't need alpa we are 1# when it comes to pay for the regional industry.

SAPA is a tool of the company, a barometer of sorts. Don't expect it to be something else. With that being said, the company does a lot of good things that other regionals don't.

Go to the alpa BBQ, see what they have to say. But think before you vote, and remember that a company that treats you with dignity is the exception in the regional world.

AND I fly all over the world ;)

Yeah I will vote for it, and vote in alpa. I dont like the block hour overide thing, I think thats bs. I get so tired of the smoke and mirrors tatictics. Looks a lot better on paper than what it will really net you. Oh well whatever.

Well the results are in and looks like this pay proposal passed. As an EMB pilot I for one think that this is garbage (no pay raise for EMB). At least now the CRJ 70/90 drivers will get a 5% override the base CRJ 200 pay. I don't think that's enough either but at least it's something.

i voted no

So SKW now has added pay when you fly the 70/90 seaters?

Thanks to the 975 pilots that sold the Bro pilots down the river.

Many thanks and Happy Holidays!

Without representation, management will never give the bro pilots a raise so there was no-one for us to sell down the river. I'm sure many of us voted like I did and believe the ALPA drive will be successful. Either it was get locked into current rates with NO split rates for the next 2-4 years or get the most management was willing to hand out.

So for the next few years either Freightpuppy can tell her boy to transition to the jet or she can continue to take them both out. :)

Yes, that is the most significant part of this. The SKW 900's are all under 80 seats.

well at least the pilot group is pretty divided in thinking. Just what management wanted. Unless the pilot group is on the same page management will continue to screw us