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norskman2 02-04-2013 07:29 AM

Southwest Expands in MEM
 
Interesting. As soon as DAL starts de-hubbing MEM, Southwest adds a bunch of new flights in MEM. Wonder why they haven't done that in CVG yet?

Additionally, AirTran expands operations in Memphis with new nonstop flights between Memphis and Chicago (Midway), Baltimore/Washington, and Orlando, beginning Aug. 11, 2013. In Memphis, AirTran currently offers five daily nonstop flights to Atlanta.

Spoilers 02-04-2013 08:25 AM

And this is in the regional section why?

Diesel450 02-04-2013 08:31 AM


Originally Posted by norskman2 (Post 1345686)
Interesting. As soon as DAL starts de-hubbing MEM, Southwest adds a bunch of new flights in MEM. Wonder why they haven't done that in CVG yet?

Because they are already in CMH, SDF, DAY and IND. All within 1 to 2 hours drive.

eaglefly 02-04-2013 08:37 AM

That's been their typical M.O.......viruses grow better in a vacuum and SWA spreads best in the vacuum left by the exit of others. Let's face it, they've become a formidable and powerfully strong disease, competitively speaking.

lolwut 02-04-2013 08:39 AM


Originally Posted by Spoilers (Post 1345721)
And this is in the regional section why?

Why wouldn't it be? Southwest is a lot more regional than a lot of other regionals out there that have more pilots, fly to more countries, and have more airplane types.

HIREME 02-04-2013 08:56 AM


Originally Posted by Diesel450 (Post 1345724)
Because they are already in CMH, SDF, DAY and IND. All within 1 to 2 hours drive.

Yeah, but it's similar in MEM too...LIT, BNA and JAN all within 1.5-3 hrs

DelDah Capt 02-04-2013 09:08 AM


Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 1345728)
Let's face it, they've become a formidable and powerfully strong disease, competitively speaking.


....would you care to guess how powerfully competitive they've been in ATL recently?

You could ask the Aitran pilots who've seen their ATL departures fall 50% from their pre-merger peak.

Or you could ask people in cities like MIA.. CLT.. IAD.. DFW.. SRQ.. TYS.. HPN.. MDT.. HSV.. etc, etc what happened to their direct ATL serivce on SW/AT

A quick check of SWA's latest system traffic report for DEC2012 shows that passengers carried for DEC were down over 3%. PAX for the 4Q were down almost 4% and were also down 1% for the entire year.....and while most Delta pilots (including me) will complain about stagnation, Delta's latest System traffic stats released today show year over year PAX carried up nearly 1%.

The idea that SW is still a juggernaut growing like a weed is silly. They're a good solid company, but they're not out there grabbing market share like they used to. As with all mergers, 1 + 1 does not equal 2. At best, 1+1= 1.5

200Driver 02-04-2013 10:55 AM


Originally Posted by DelDah Capt (Post 1345748)
....would you care to guess how powerfully competitive they've been in ATL recently?

You could ask the Aitran pilots who've seen their ATL departures fall 50% from their pre-merger peak.

Or you could ask people in cities like MIA.. CLT.. IAD.. DFW.. SRQ.. TYS.. HPN.. MDT.. HSV.. etc, etc what happened to their direct ATL serivce on SW/AT

A quick check of SWA's latest system traffic report for DEC2012 shows that passengers carried for DEC were down over 3%. PAX for the 4Q were down almost 4% and were also down 1% for the entire year.....and while most Delta pilots (including me) will complain about stagnation, Delta's latest System traffic stats released today show year over year PAX carried up nearly 1%.

The idea that SW is still a juggernaut growing like a weed is silly. They're a good solid company, but they're not out there grabbing market share like they used to. As with all mergers, 1 + 1 does not equal 2. At best, 1+1= 1.5

Agreed ... SWA is solid but they are not the growing power house they once were.

Avroman 02-04-2013 02:31 PM


Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 1345728)
That's been their typical M.O.......viruses grow better in a vacuum and SWA spreads best in the vacuum left by the exit of others. Let's face it, they've become a formidable and powerfully strong disease, competitively speaking.

Except in Pittsburgh.....

etflies 02-04-2013 02:37 PM


Originally Posted by lolwut (Post 1345730)
Why wouldn't it be? Southwest is a lot more regional than a lot of other regionals out there that have more pilots, fly to more countries, and have more airplane types.

I guess as long as you don't count wages, benefits, schedules, treatment of the labor, qualifications to get hired there versus your average regional, what the side of the airplane says versus who you bought a ticket on and just general quality of life, sure, Southwest is a regional.


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