For Parker to say he needs....
 

For Parker to say "he needs to reanalyzes what to do about American Eagle ". Is so ridiculous and frustrating makes me throw up in my mouth a little!!!!
Just come out with what the plan is! Is it cause its bad and he's afraid of everybody jumping ship to fast or just using us to whip saw his other pilot groups?

I am going to go with, yes.

When a new CEO finally sits down in a new job it wouldn't be unusual for him to reevaluate everything .

He's been reevaluating Piedmont for 5 years.

They don't pay CEO's to run companies, just "re-evaluate" them. When there's no "re-evaluation" left, they declare bankruptcy and leave with their big "I tried" bonus. It's in the Geneva Convention, page 116.

Let's see: Parker was CEO of USAirways NOT American Airlines and as such had no control over the American operation until he became CEO of AMR. That occurred Thursday and he is already supposed to know what he is going to do with Eagle his first day on the job?

He would have been accused of making decisions too fast if he announced something on the day he took over. Of course he is going to take time to evaluate the entire organization from his own perspective with his people before he makes any decisions regarding Eagle's future as a wholly-owned.

Actually he will not be CEO of AMR until the deal is closed. The airlines announced they plan to merger but the merger itself won't happen until 3rd QT this year. Now, we know that from Thursday or actually since they decided to dance but had to do the formalities he has been running the company and now until the merger is finalized (not integration) he will run the company by telling AMR CEO ToHo what to do. Up to a few weeks ago ToHo was doing whatever he wanted, but it seems after the RAH deal and a few other things his wings were clipped as the BOD decided to make the merger happen and started the paperwork with the government as early as January. But your point is taken in that he is just transitioning from trying to acquire the airline to now transition into the merger and then integration.

question?
APA had said the merger would be better for them to happen while in bK. They had said that if merged while in BK, they would be able to open the contract for renegotiation (the one that the judge just signed that they voted on). If merged outside of BK, the current contract stays in force and negotiations will not happen for a contract will not happen for 6 years.

The MOU passed by all takes effect when?
Contract negotiations begin when?

WHAT said "The airlines announced they plan to merger but the merger itself won't happen until 3rd QT this year" would this be after AMR comes out of BK, or they planning to stay in BK until 3 QTR?

Also, when would negotiations begin based on the MOU?

Dont you guys have some sort of furlough protecting or something? I remember becuase someone mentioning that. I think it was WHAT.

Eagle and Piedmont sold to TSH. Eagle flow terminates. You heard it here first.

You'd have to have something to sell first. PSA= 35 crj-2's and 14 crj's.......no thanks. PDT= bunch of dashes whose life cycles are getting ready to expire......no thanks. My guess is they have no idea whats going to happen to us. Alot will depend on the new route structure and where lift will be needed, as well as what kind of lift (aircraft).

Ok, Again, I will ask. I'm waiting on a Formal offer from Eagle. Should I take it still?

It's not about airplanes its about ASAs. I'm sure Hulas would like to weasel his way back into TWAmerican. He needs the routes, not the airplanes or the pilots.

Damn, you beat me to it!

You can ask him all about it at the next Crew Briefing (or whatever that thing he and Kirby do was/is called), he likes being asked about the WO's.

We take our AA rights anywhere we go.

That's what Compass thought too.

Straight from APC:

FLOW UP/DOWN agreement:

**Flow Up

Flow up to Delta will be offered to all Compass pilots through a date of hire of 08/19/2010 (409 pilots); No Compass pilots hired later will flow up.
Delta will offer employment to an eligible Compass pilot before any other pilot candidate for hire in seniority order. To be eligible, a Compass pilot must: (1) be a Captain; and (2) have at least 30 months on payroll.
Unless waived by Delta & Compass, the max number of Compass pilots flowing up to Delta will be the lesser of: (1) 25% of total Compass pilots in any rolling 12-months, or (2) 20 per month.
A Compass pilot who fails initial training at Delta may return to Compass at his previous seniority and longevity.

You clearly know what you are talking about. :rolleyes:

And they kept em. So whats your point?

Again, I will answer Yes!!! Lot of movement around the corner.

Cap Tony is just a skypest troll.

Haha, Thanks J3. Every time I log on to this train wreck I second guess myself. I've made my decision. Hopefully be getting a class date soon.

Exactly. Only those hired PRIOR to the sale kept the flow through rights WITH RESTRICTIONS. Even LESS Mesaba guys kept their flow through rights after the sale. In other words, don't count on ANYTHING if there is a sale or spin off involved. (But at this point that is way too far out to predict. I'd say status quo at the wholly owned subsidiaries for the first 18-24 months. They have much bigger things to deal with first...just observe the United and Delta mergers. The subsidiaries are the last thing they get to.)

Never refuse an offer if it is your only offer...

Felt4f, Eagle is not a bad place to be. There will be movement, guys are starting to flow in March. Best of luck to ya.

Of course. Not My first rodeo.. An not my only offer. Seems like the best choice of the options so far. And one that I am looking forward too. Just wanted to see if there are people there that might know something. About the future. But I guess no one knows.

Thanks! Appreciate it!

You'll learn eventually that APC, EL and other forums is all doom and gloom.

I used to be bummed every time I log into a forum and read bad stuff. I change my wedding date once and didn't took the risk of buying a home because of "what if I get furlough??!!". I still had 500 guys below me at that time.

Guess what? I still moving up in the seniority list, I still have 500 and more people coming below me. Yes, there've been bad news around, but nothing have changed. I still have pretty good QOL, the lines in march are a bit better than before. In buying a house and getting married this year.

It's important to learn not to get scared by everything you read, because at the end everyone here is a pilot and don't know a crap of what's going to happen.

Good luck with your decision, send me a PM if you have any question regarding eagle.

Stop! Harsh reality is not allowed here. They may call you a troll too! ;)

That's Captain Tony to you! He wants to make sure you know that!

Let me put the original question this way.... Eagle has 3000 pilots, USAirlines has about 5000... We are a profitable billion dollar company that Parker already stated a few months ago he needed to look at the numbers before deciding what to do with us..... Do you honestly think he doesn't already have a plan? Gimmy a brake and let's stop all the whipsaw games and just f@&$ tell us what to expect...

Profitable billion? Haha ok no offense SKW might be the only regional with that bank and to me that's a big maybe.......

Who??..............

" American Eagle pilots hired under a settlement agreement will not be subjected to a pre-employment interview or pre-employment medical examination prior to transferring to American."

Care to elaborate on this? Sounds not so guaranteed to me?

And they kept their previous flow rights. Nothing changed for those on their list. Go on?

Fyi this is sarcasm......

Sorry "US Airways" airlines ... And before all the accounting shuffle stuff back in the day American eagle in its yearly reports that it was a billion dollar company... Not that it made a billion in profit ... Yeah I wrote that wrong

At Eagle we have different FT.

First, there are 240ish pilots who are currently getting the call to AA. These pilots are already on the seniority list at AA, AE can't withhold them and around half these guys will go and will be gone by April.

Second, there is the 824. This came from a settlement when AA had the flow backs, this is not a contract flow or something management gave AE, this came from an arbitrator and AE, AA, ALPA and APA had to come up with minor details and a structure for the flow. This was done a year ago and management must meet with ALPA in the next month to discuss what happens with the merger in essence if they will continue to hire. As long as AA hires they have to take 1 AE captain for every off street new hire to minimum of 20 as long as the class is large enough.

Third, this is the one that is similar to the other FT around, this is called the preferential hiring and covers the guys on the list hired till Oct 2011. This was an agreement between AA and AE, this has language for mergers and other stuff and but is the weakest of them all and I am not sure how it would stand if management did not want to honor it.

The first three AMR has no choice but honor it as guys are on the list and the other is a ruling and ordered from the courts. The third, I am not holding my breath on.