Well this sure makes B Bedford look like the laughing stock of the industry. How can anyone believe what this man says. Kind of makes the arbitrator look rather stupid too!

Go back to the zoo Zoooropa.
Or maybe just go back to spouting the virtues of the impending IPO you've spoken of where Wall Street backs the spinoff of this amazing new airline Frontier. Yeah right!

Listen dude, RAH management is a formidable foe in theses negotiations for sure but the game is not over. CM, the NC and the IBT National are up a against a National Mediation Board reluctant to take action to move this process forward but there will be an end game at some point and I still like the chances of the Republic pilots getting a respectable contract.

The collaborative decision by IBT National and the Eboard to move forward with the LBFO vote was to force RAH to put on paper what RAH claimed was their LBFO so it could be published for the world and for the membership to see. And what a crock of ****e it was. I'm actually proud of the NC and the Eboard for standing firm on what it is that the pilot group has tasked them with; getting a respectable contract for the pilots.

And who knows, maybe a decision unfavorable to management on the LOA 67 lawsuit will play a part in the eventual outcome of the contract negotiations. We shall see.

It’s interesting that CM wearily states every week on the conference call that there is no movement in the suit brought by IBT National regarding, in part, LOA 67.

He just says, “The final motions have been filed, it’s in the Judge’s hands, it might happen tomorrow or it might be some time later. We’ll either win the motion or end up in trial.” (I think there’s a third possibility as well…)

Meanwhile there are still motions being filed by both parties and rulings being made.

Last Thursday in the last conference call, on March 7, CM reiterated that nothing was happening in the lawsuit. The fact is that the two documents below were released prior to CM making that statement.

The first filing, on February 19, was 3 conference calls ago. The IBT filed a response 3 days prior to the last conference call.

So, either National isn’t making CM aware of the progress of the suit or he is not being at all forthright with our membership. Either way it is a cause for concern for the members of our Local. Especially on the heels of the on-again, off-again LBFO vote debacle.

And, Wilder, who CM hangs out with all the time, filed the motion on March 4. Are we to believe that Wilder didn’t discuss the matter with CM?

Who is calling the shots for our future – National or the Local?

Does National discuss our matters with our EBoard? If not, why not? If they do, why isn’t public or less than sensitive information being shared on the conference calls or the PDU or by Blast?

Regardless, it appears that with the “do-over” in depositions, we are a few months away from any resolution in the suit. Is that so hard to tell us, especially when the documents are publically available?


Case 1:11-cv-02007-MSK-KLM Document 129 Filed 02/19/13
ORDER ENTERED BY MAGISTRATE JUDGE KRISTEN L. MIX

Case 1:11-cv-02007-MSK-KLM Document 131 Filed 03/04/13
PLAINTIFF’S OBJECTION TO MAGISTRATE’S ORDER GRANTING IN PART DEFENDANTS’ MOTION FOR SANCTION

This thread should be named "See the Frontier trolls stick their feet in their mouths."

It's been very entertaining to watch you guys makes asses of yourselves.

Dont worry 3662.

FAPA hasn't told us anything about the LOA 67 lawsuit either.

IBT had a conference call? I don't think FAPA has ever had a conference call.

At least your union doesn't alter TA's after they have been approved by the membership!

3662 won't worry. He's an F9 pilot posing as an RAH pilot just to stir the pot. Don't be fooled by him.

Maybe 3662 is a F9 pilot and maybe Zoo Crew is a RAH pilot...who cares? What is important is that the information from 3662 is factual! The point is CM claims nothing has changed which is a blatant lie. Continue to trust him he's leading you down a road to nowhere. The legal documents are available to the public. Do a little research and question CM as to why he's not forthright with the Republic pilot group. Then question him as to why he still believes this lawsuit is a game changer for Local 357! Remember 6 of 8 counts have already been dismissed. There is nothing "game changing" here CM knows it yet he continues to lie to every member of the Local 357 (fyi-Marc Anderson Local 357 attorney also knows this as he has admitted such).
Its comical that anytime factual information is presented on this board Tiller, sqwkvfr, stomper ignore what was posted and turn to defamation.

I guess you all learn that from Wilder...Go read the plaintiffs objection! Sentence 3 Wilder tells the judge that she doesn't know what she's doing! Wonderful professionalism! How to make friends and influence people the IBT way...

You company apologists are great. Obviously none of us are lawyers but you really need to work on understanding what's going on the case before you post.

1. There is no dispute of material fact. The company does not dispute any of the evidence from discovery that it dealt illegally with Jeff Thomas, after the election, in violation of the RLA.
2. IBT is alleging that they were not consulted in the LOA/Commercial agreement, so unless the new witness gets up there and whips off his Jeff Thomas mask, I doubt there will be any evidence here.
3. Company attorneys advised BB not to proceed in this illegal activity, to no avail. Now that legal counsel is available in the record.


The magistrate judge is following civil procedure rules and allowing deposition of a properly prepared IBT witness. Unfortunately, there is almost nothing relevant to the defense that can be garnered from deposition of the new witness. The magistrate says as much in her ruling.

This last round of rulings/pleedings is not progress, it is minutia. You forgot to mention that two new attorneys appeared on behalf of the defendants...Wow!

I predict a summary judgement in favor of the plaintiffs. Clearing up this procedural abnormality with the IBT witness prevents an appeal unless a new germane set of facts is revealed (and still unlikely there). If you've read the docket, you'd be hard pressed to see any other outcome. Had RAH/FAPAInvest not continued in their juvenile arrogant fashion, illegally dealing after the election, and had BB not written to Jeff and Scott saying "LOA/Commercial Agreement" "To keep it out of the IBT's hands", they might have a defense. However, those emails and the wire transfer, clearly establish the illegal activity.

Take that ^^^ Car Ramrod, Zoooropa and 3662...you've all just been smacked down by Ronaldo. Which is exactly what the magistrate is going to do to FAPA and BB, JT and SG

If it were that easy then this case would have been decided months ago. IBT dreams! Ronaldo you should take the time to read all dockets not just those of the IBT. Stomper once again you have shown that you indeed belong with the likes of CM. Good luck.
The magistrate has already ruled against the IBT 6 times out of 8, sure is one hell of a smack down!

Ronaldo-
2 counts left out of 8!
1. Is LOA 67 legal?
2. Who will be in charge of the commercial agreement or it should be vacated?

Once again if these were easily answered this lawsuit would have been decided long ago. Truth is none of us know which way the judge will decided. Please tell us how any of this is "game changing". LOA is proven illegal F9 pilots go back to book rates? I'm sure we will be very disappointed. BTW you are still ignoring the fact that CM stated nothing changed when in fact the process has moved forward.

Ronaldo please stop cherry picking and paraphrasing. This isn't an argument rather it was started to inform all of us that the lawsuit wasn't status quo, and CM blatantly lied.