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Originally Posted by eaglefly
(Post 1386363)
It will help, but not near enough. This "pipeline" will take years and all the legacies should be sucking up regional pilots in 12-18 months and they'll be losing more pilots then they gain. The pay raise(s) required to attract the number of pilots needed for the regionals ruins the economic advantage of the RJ.
Why choose an airline career in college when it costs an additional $75K above tuition, if it still significantly drags other careers in compensation and lifestyle ? The fact is, managements went too far in gutting this job and the tab for that is almost here and there are no cheap, quick fixes. This band-aid won't stop the arterial spray from jugular that is about to burst. As far as the first year pay in the regional airline business goes this is 100% the union and pilot groups fault. What most don't realize is management has figured out how to pen pilots against pilots / top vs bottom etc. and this is how they get what they want. Take a look at ExpressJet and ASA. Look at what they did to pinnacle and Comair. The list goes on and on. The pilot groups listed above are made up of good guys and in no way am I faulting them especially Comair for what they did. At least they tried to take a stand. However, management will always pull the strings until the pilot group as an industry whole takes a stand and cuts those strings. This will never happen so it just is what it is at this point. |
Originally Posted by 200Driver
(Post 1386379)
I hope you are right. I don't know if the majors will be picking up guys as quickly as some think within the next 12 to 18 months though. Delta is overstaffed and American/US Airways will be downsizing by probably about 12%.
Downsizing by 12%? Where are you getting this information? |
Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 1386267)
PFT...in reverse, a step in the right direction.
I imagine WMU has some skin in the game here, and by skin I mean money. WMU probably figures this program is a good recruitment tool for the dwindling prospective professional flight majors out there, and catching those folks is worth money. They kick in a little money to seal the deal with Eagle, and therefore secure access to a bunch of regional minded students. I also wonder if these programs really catch on, what will be the effects? Mom and pop flight schools losing lots of business? A few big and connected universities become an oligopoly that has a strangle hold on the pipeline to the regionals---thus driving prices even higher? |
Originally Posted by JetRage
(Post 1386442)
Downsizing by 12%? Where are you getting this information?
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
(Post 1386363)
The pay raise(s) required to attract the number of pilots needed for the regionals ruins the economic advantage of the RJ.
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Originally Posted by lolwut
(Post 1386349)
schol·ar·ship
[skol-er-ship] noun 1. learning; knowledge acquired by study; the academic attainments of a scholar. 2. a sum of money or other aid granted to a student, because of merit, need, etc., to pursue his or her studies. 3. the position or status of such a student. 4. a foundation to provide financial assistance to students. How is this whats going on here? If I get a lump sum check (bonus) when I'm hired but have to pay some of it back if I leave before 2 years, or I get paid a "stipend" every month for two years; is there really a difference? It's semantics. Although not a bonus in the traditional sense and because it's under the auspices of the collegiate requirements, it sounds better to call it a scholarship. Doesn't ruffle the feathers as much. |
Originally Posted by JetRage
(Post 1386442)
Downsizing by 12%? Where are you getting this information?
Originally Posted by slammer1906
(Post 1386575)
From nowhere...its beer speak.
Also do not confuse down sizing with no hiring. These two things are independent. I do believe AA / USAir will down size slightly, however, they will also have to hire just like everyone else due to their large retirement numbers over the next 18 years. |
So what happens when a person joins this scam, and wants out at the end?
It's always the young kids that fall for such schemes. Much better just to wait when one has the needed minimums, and THEN make a determination which airline will suit that person best. |
Originally Posted by Apokleros
(Post 1386644)
So what happens when a person joins this scam, and wants out at the end?
It's always the young kids that fall for such schemes. Much better just to wait when one has the needed minimums, and THEN make a determination which airline will suit that person best. Like you said, plenty of young naive SJS"s out there ready to take the bait. |
Originally Posted by 200Driver
(Post 1386638)
Probably a little beer speak but also lessons learned over time. All Legacy carrier mergers come with some down sizing. AA / USAir will be no different. The percentage, I can't honestly say, but I believe they will down size slightly more then some previous legacy mergers.
Also do not confuse down sizing with no hiring. These two things are independent. I do believe AA / USAir will down size slightly, however, they will also have to hire just like everyone else due to their large retirement numbers over the next 18 years. True, they are several hundred pilots down from 2008's numbers but, domestic capacity cuts usually hit the regionals harder. AA/US will be no different. |
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