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Originally Posted by Bartok (Post 1393860)

There are at least 1500 pilots at 9E that are competitive with the rest of the Regionals.

And the first 500 are probably more qualified than most Regionals.

Thats a lot of classes to go through. At 12 9E pilots a month that is 42 months. Even if they turned down a third of the pilots = 330, which is 28 months.

I doubt they will waste their time turning every single pilot down over and over again.

This is their objective anyway, they need to clean out the top of 9E to keep costs low.

You do realize the top of the 9E list (or any list for that matter) isn't cleaned out for a reason right? (And only some of them the reason is that they are content and staying for life).

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Shy is the kind of guy who looks for bad news like there is a reward for it. The company could come out tomorrow and say "we are going to grow and get more flying" and shy would poo poo all over it saying he will believe it when he sees it blah, blah, blah. The same company could come out and say "the end state of the company is 81 airplanes" and shy would take it as gospel and tell everyone to run for their lives" like a chicken with its head cut off. He is even trying to leave VA for Spirit right now. As soon as he leaves VA he will poo poo on them too and say how wonderful spirit is and that everyone at VA is dumb for staying there,the writings on the wall, the die is cast.... blah blah blah... anyway you get the point. Its always better where shy is.

I am NOT looking to go to Spirit. That was only a thought at a certain point, but I'm not making a lateral move. It's not worth it. And you are right about growth, at any airline, believe it when you are sitting in the new airplane. For the record, I left before the 81 plane end state. I don't vote yes to paycuts.

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I even believe the pinnacle name will be gone by years end and we will just be Delta.

Let me guess, flying the 717s right? :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1393874)

You do realize the top of the 9E list (or any list for that matter) isn't cleaned out for a reason right? (And only some of them the reason is that they are content and staying for life).

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Originally Posted by Bartok (Post 1393881)

Ok, that's true, I'll give you that.

Work hard, study and apply.

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Originally Posted by Delta1067 (Post 1393767)

I don't know of a single flow pilot who had any "entitlement attitude" as you put it. None were young and naivete as you put it. Most were well into their 30's and had 15 years of 121 time, most as a Captain. I guess that makes us unprofessional and entitled :rolleyes:

Did you just say (1) "I don't know" (2) "most were"... and my personal favorite (3) "I guess". Let us not bicker.

[QUOTE=Bartok;1393881]Oh, I'm well aware of the some D-bags at the top of the 9E list, but most of the XJ guys are fine and they make up most of the top 500 anyway.

I bet most people have changed their opinion of staying at 9E (XJ flow bypass guys included.)

Delta will hire some of the D-bags anyway, they already have

Most of 9E people are good as well. No different than any airline out there. I have to look again but the top 500 is close to 50/50 9E/XJ.

How do you know someone doesnt think your a D-Bag?

The only people Delta hired out of XJ were jerks. The good guys got hired by Southwest, United, CAL, etc. I think you guys are mistaken on who the undesirables are in Delta's eyes. I know who some of the guys Delta doesn't want are, and it's not because they are jerks, it is because they are immature.

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Originally Posted by Bartok (Post 1393881)

Oh, I'm well aware of the some D-bags at the top of the 9E list, but most of the XJ guys are fine and they make up most of the top 500 anyway.

I bet most people have changed their opinion of staying at 9E (XJ flow bypass guys included.)

Delta will hire some of the D-bags anyway, they already have

Most of 9E people are good as well. No different than any airline out there. I have to look again but the top 500 is close to 50/50 9E/XJ.

How do you know someone doesnt think your a D-Bag?

Because only Colgan has all the D-bags.

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Originally Posted by legend (Post 1393913)

Most of 9E people are good as well. No different than any airline out there. I have to look again but the top 500 is close to 50/50 9E/XJ.

How do you know someone doesnt think your a D-Bag?

I agree that most 9E guys are great.

I've made several really good friends at 9E since the merger.

But the D-bags that are from 9E are unbearable.

I flew for 10 years at XJ and only flew with one guy that I couldn't stand, and only a handful that I'd prefer not to fly with.

I've been on the 9E side for 1 1/2 years now and I can name 10 guys off the top of my head that I wouldn't pi$$ on if they were on fire.

If that offends you as a 9E guy, I don't care.

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Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1393826)

wth? If Delta didn't want you the first time, probably won't want you a second time either. It's not like there is a sim eval that you can really screw up. All of it is computerized testing, HR type questions in where you have to be yourself. Then a wildcard shrink portion, but still.

They go through the list once. Each person gets a second chance with conditions.