So where will it hurt the least right now?
 

Sooooo I am thinking about returning to the industry after being stuck in an office since Comair shutdown. Hating the office life again and the construction industry is about the same as the regionals! Full of low bidders! I have been reading through various threads trying to get a handle on the regional industry since Comair shutdown.

So where would it hurt the least right now? My take is the regional industry is even more screwed up nowadays. I should probably have my head examined for wanting to go through with this again. Pretty much seen everything after 6 years at Comair.

The other question is currency. Mine ran out in December and I refuse to pay for 3 landings in a light twin. Waste of money. Are most of the regionals worried about that?

I am at 4100TT and 3000 turbine and an ATP. So I pretty much have all the mins. Obviously not UsAir material since my last initial was 6 years ago!

Maybe ask people a list of places not to go and see which gets named least? That'll get more responses...

So what are you more interested in? A good domicile? Fast upgrade? Chasing flight time? Sign on bonus? First year pay? Plenty of variables that should affect your decision...

Nothing has changes since comair shut down, its still a race to the bottom. Pick your poison. Just dont follow suit like a lot of your fellow Comair comrads and go to GoJets.

...Because you'd be a captain already.

Who wants a payraise and PIC time? :rolleyes:

To answer the title of the thread; at this point, I think a swift kick to the nuts would hurt the least right now.

How about this. Get yourself current, then get some part time job flying something around just to stay current (CFI, 135 freight, medical samples, etc), keep your daytime office job, and apply to United or US Air.

and a scumbag, too.

This above advice will keep you at your current office job. After 6 years, im sure you are aware that your current times are not competitive for USAir or UA, unless you have an in. Go to the one with the best work rules. The one with the best rules might go down like Comair, but at least working 121 while applying to the Legacies and LCC, granted that this is your ultimate objective. Network while you are at your new job, because many of these pilots will be moving on to as one guy put it "The land of rainbows and unicorns," that is the Majors.

Why are GoJet pilots scumbags? News flash: we lost the race to the bottom. Don't be a hater. Blame management and the unions, not the pilots who took a job.

Funny, I have three friends who got hired with less time at UAL. And funny also that you assume that current hiring of mostly those with an "in" will continue. By this time next year, everyone will be hiring. By this time two years from now, anyone who wants a mainline job will be able to get one.

And your comment about "one with the best work rules" show how clueless you are about the regionals. Such a thing doesn't exist. "Network at your new job"? What, kiss ass to jumpseaters. Give me a break. Yeah, that'll get you hired. :rolleyes:

Because they support an airline that was founded specifically to circumvent the collective bargaining agreement of another airline. They won the race to the bottom because they supported it in the name of "being a captain sooner!".

Without pilots willing to work there, management wouldn't have been able to create the airline in the first place.

Boom. Lawyered.

Ok, technically, that could be said for any regional operating jets. And what makes GoJets worse than Pinnacle, Compass, Trans States, or any other? You need to get off your high horse. Smart pilots do whatever they have to do to move on the fastest. Dumb pilots stick to principles and watch everyone get hired before them. Sounds like you have regrets.

Oh, and I guess all the furloughed United and Comair pilots working at G7 are a bunch of "scumbag"s and scabs. :rolleyes:

In the face? No no. How about the arm? :D

Right on brother!

Yup! What do you think makes them any different? There undercutting me and those still at the legacy. So as long as you had a good job once it now allows you to undercut anyone to get you back to where you think you deserve to be regardless of whom you hurt in getting there. [deleted]

I would do what some have said apply anywhere that's hiring get current and attend those job fairs. I hear that United puts a lot of emphasis on the job fair, show your interest.

Endeavor Air will be hiring by fall, you can come join Delta's elite regional with our elite pay and work rules.
Who knows maybe by then we will have voted in more pay cuts, because Delta needs to give mainline employees another raise.

Management couldn't have done it without cooperation from the pilots. And it's not like it created MORE jobs, just kept a pilot group from helping to raise the pay standards for everybody. Just shifted flying from a group who demanded better wages to a group who wanted to push ahead of them by selling themselves out. All these guys blowing about how we should all take a stand are probably the very ones who would jump to take our places once we did.

Going to pass on that offer! Already know what it's like to be owned by Delta!

I am not sure what I am going to do yet. Trying to figure out where to apply is like trying to choose a proctologist and your trying to choose the doctor with the smallest fingers! It's going to suck either way!

Sad what has happened to the industry. Most people are dumb founded when I tell them how much I made flying people around!

BitterOHFO check your PMs.

In 40 years of watching the industry and flying professionally, that has never occurred, why will it happen now? Yes, hiring may start up for retirements, but the US airlines will always have their pick. In the '80s, there was a huge rush, loads of guys had two and three offers and many still missed the spree, others got on with now-bankrupt carriers never to go back.

In two years, UAL will have just gotten their furloughees back, AA/USAir combination will be working off flow thrus, DL has a flow agreement and other preferentials. Loads of ex-mil guys coming off AD, 10,000 RJ CAs and FOs , also.

GF

1.) Yes, you probably need your head examined.

2.) Being out of currency with your Comair background won't make one whit of difference to a regional hiring dept. They are all too aware of what happened to Comair and will understand.

3.) As always with a regional, choose one that suits you and your family's needs in terms of domiciles, schedules, reserve time and general QOL. All regionals suck at some level (some at more than one level) and you well know from your time at Comair that today's golden child is tomorrow's pariah. I guarantee you that after Comair, you will be shocked at how bad it is out there (or how good we had it at Comair)!

Good Luck.

I don't want to further derail this thread into a gojet thread (So this will be my last post on the subject here), but what makes them worse than any of the airlines you mentioned was that they were SPECIFICALLY CREATED TO BYPASS A COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT. I really can't make that any clearer. Pinnacle/compass/transstates/colgan/whoever was not a result of trying to avoid negotiating fairly with a union.

This is GOOD advice to everyone else.

Avoid flamebait, trolling, derailments, profanity, religious fervor, political nonsense, racist remarks, sexist commentaries, pictures of half naked women, odious comparisons of your pee and someone else's pee pee. If you do that, your APC experience will be so much better. Think about it!

Pictures are still appreciated...for the record.

Well sh.t, this leaves me with nothing.

Where do you live?

I am happy to send you pictures of my pee pee. Problem is that I don't have one! bwahahaha.

I could always give you an infraction or two for disguising profanity. :)

Regionals which are worth considering right now would be Eagle, Skywest, Compass, and Expressjet. Avoid all others.

All those listed above offer pros and cons but those are your best bet. From there the decision would narrow to which one allows you to live in base or offers the shortest commute.

I am in a similar situation, 7 year FO at Comair, that took the last buyout so I have not flown in almost 2 years now. Teaching high school math now. Like all jobs some days are better than others. The kids today are a disaster, I do miss my quite mornings in the airplane reading my ops manual versus dealing with 10th graders. I live in IND so if I went back it would be to the fine outfit based here. I think I am going to give teaching one more year and if I still miss flying will go back the following year. I miss flying but I don't miss all the crap we had to put up with on a daily basis.
To my fellow Comair alum not sure what advice to give you, you know more about this industry than most I would think. In my mind I have given highest priority to quality of life, commuting etc. I am sure you spent plenty of time trying to commute to that carp hole called JFK. With all the time we would have maybe a move to JB or Spirit would be possible quickly, if no legacy, so it would not be another 7 years at a regional with not much to show for it. Just my two cents from someone that is in a similar position.

+1 i agree 100 percent

Well I was able to pull a rabbit out of a hat and scored an interview at regional carrier to be named later! Emailed a recruiter I talked to back in the fall. Guess I coming out of retirement. Chose QOL this go round.

Thanks for the insights.

GoNutz, sucks