SAPA 'Negotiations' Update
07-14-2013, 05:28 AM
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Originally Posted by SKYWCRJCA
ALPA is the solution? Yup its official you're several beers short of a six pack nevets! Expressjet would have filed for bankruptcy if they had not been bought out. It was not turning a profit. You're so full of BS it's sad.
You WILL be with a union carrier. Better get used to 1.9% of your pre-401k compensation helping you out.
07-14-2013, 06:15 AM
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Originally Posted by cencal83406
I hope you realize you are going to be working for an ALPA-affiliated carrier eventually. The only good majors to go to right now have ALPA (or had as is the case with USAPA, or wanted a union but not ALPA: APA).
You WILL be with a union carrier. Better get used to 1.9% of your pre-401k compensation helping you out.
You WILL be with a union carrier. Better get used to 1.9% of your pre-401k compensation helping you out.
07-14-2013, 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Nevets
The reason I started this thread is because you guys are all secretive a kit these type of things. I only wanted to inform the uninformed. In fact, I've said very little about the substance of the SAPA update. Anyway, the only thing I conceded is that I'm happy that Skywest has to deal with the mess they created rather than anyone else. And if you think that captains make that much of a difference, then you need to check your ego. We are all pawns. As for loosing money, I don't care if our CEO tightens it up or not. We are working just the same we did the day before Skywest bought us. The only change is the low ball CPA that our CEO negotiated.
07-16-2013, 01:34 AM
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Originally Posted by 450knotOffice
I honestly hope that the arrogance demonstrated in this and a few other threads is the exception, rather than the rule at Skywest. From a third party viewpoint, this thread reminds me of bullies kicking and beating a fellow classmate. It is not making you look good.
This thread has run its course anyway. Ill leave it to others to decide who's being reasonable and what each parties motives are.
07-18-2013, 09:37 AM
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I'm sure you're all aware of Eagles Vote which may have sealed their fate. If our airlines accepts "Pinnacle payrates as the new norm" we as a pilot group have positively sealed Eagles fate. Eagle pilots took a stand and now it's our turn to do the same for them. If we collectively say no as a pilot group albeit SKW/XJT, RAH, Air Wisc, PSA ect... We can start gaining back what this profession has already taken from us. The requirements for entry into 121 are higher than ever and we should be compensated as such...
07-20-2013, 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by BHopper88
Originally Posted by Nevets
The reason I started this thread is because you guys are all secretive a kit these type of things. I only wanted to inform the uninformed. In fact, I've said very little about the substance of the SAPA update. Anyway, the only thing I conceded is that I'm happy that Skywest has to deal with the mess they created rather than anyone else. And if you think that captains make that much of a difference, then you need to check your ego. We are all pawns. As for loosing money, I don't care if our CEO tightens it up or not. We are working just the same we did the day before Skywest bought us. The only change is the low ball CPA that our CEO negotiated.
Originally Posted by JustAMushroom
Originally Posted by 450knotOffice
I honestly hope that the arrogance demonstrated in this and a few other threads is the exception, rather than the rule at Skywest. From a third party viewpoint, this thread reminds me of bullies kicking and beating a fellow classmate. It is not making you look good.
This thread has run its course anyway. Ill leave it to others to decide who's being reasonable and what each parties motives are.
Originally Posted by Slats
I'm sure you're all aware of Eagles Vote which may have sealed their fate. If our airlines accepts "Pinnacle payrates as the new norm" we as a pilot group have positively sealed Eagles fate. Eagle pilots took a stand and now it's our turn to do the same for them. If we collectively say no as a pilot group albeit SKW/XJT, RAH, Air Wisc, PSA ect... We can start gaining back what this profession has already taken from us. The requirements for entry into 121 are higher than ever and we should be compensated as such...
Does that analogy help any of you guys get it now?
07-20-2013, 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Nevets
Well, Skywest pilots are supposed to get whatever 401k matching, health benefits, and scope that we get. Sure makes it harder for us to negotiate any improvements there when we are being anchored by 3000 other pilots who are not contributing
07-20-2013, 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Slats
Originally Posted by Nevets
Well, Skywest pilots are supposed to get whatever 401k matching, health benefits, and scope that we get. Sure makes it harder for us to negotiate any improvements there when we are being anchored by 3000 other pilots who are not contributing
Do you honestly believe that it would take more negotiating leverage to keep our 401k matching, health benefits, and scope, much less to improve on those, when it we are not negotiating just for our 4500 dues paying pilots? Remember, it is your student council who approved tying this anchor to our negotiations. So an emphatic YES, you are NOT contributing to the cause and that eagle drew the line on. Thanks for nothing! And thrice again, you are welcome for ASAP.
07-20-2013, 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Nevets
Sure, it was 3000 pilots who decided to buy XJT holdings.
Do you honestly believe that it would take more negotiating leverage to keep our 401k matching, health benefits, and scope, much less to improve on those, when it we are not negotiating just for our 4500 dues paying pilots? Remember, it is your student council who approved tying this anchor to our negotiations. So an emphatic YES, you are NOT contributing to the cause and that eagle drew the line on. Thanks for nothing! And thrice again, you are welcome for ASAP.
Do you honestly believe that it would take more negotiating leverage to keep our 401k matching, health benefits, and scope, much less to improve on those, when it we are not negotiating just for our 4500 dues paying pilots? Remember, it is your student council who approved tying this anchor to our negotiations. So an emphatic YES, you are NOT contributing to the cause and that eagle drew the line on. Thanks for nothing! And thrice again, you are welcome for ASAP.
07-20-2013, 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Slats
Originally Posted by Nevets
Sure, it was 3000 pilots who decided to buy XJT holdings.
Do you honestly believe that it would take more negotiating leverage to keep our 401k matching, health benefits, and scope, much less to improve on those, when it we are not negotiating just for our 4500 dues paying pilots? Remember, it is your student council who approved tying this anchor to our negotiations. So an emphatic YES, you are NOT contributing to the cause and that eagle drew the line on. Thanks for nothing! And thrice again, you are welcome for ASAP.
Do you honestly believe that it would take more negotiating leverage to keep our 401k matching, health benefits, and scope, much less to improve on those, when it we are not negotiating just for our 4500 dues paying pilots? Remember, it is your student council who approved tying this anchor to our negotiations. So an emphatic YES, you are NOT contributing to the cause and that eagle drew the line on. Thanks for nothing! And thrice again, you are welcome for ASAP.
And why did you not answer my questions?
Your welcome for CASS.
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