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Captain Tony 07-04-2013 06:10 AM


Originally Posted by newarkblows (Post 1439089)
68 pilots a month worth of hiring... where are they going to find that many guys with 1500TT?

They aren't.

vtpilot 07-04-2013 07:21 AM


Originally Posted by Captain Tony (Post 1439090)
They aren't.

From the latest ERJ seniority list: Number of people per class this year on the list. This is probably pretty close to the number originally in the class but obviously would not include washouts, resignations, or terminations.

3/25: 15
4/8: 19
4/22: 14
5/6: 7
5/20: 12
6/3: 10
6/17: 17

Captain Tony 07-04-2013 07:27 AM


Originally Posted by vtpilot (Post 1439127)
From the latest ERJ seniority list: Number of people per class this year on the list. This is probably pretty close to the number originally in the class but obviously would not include washouts, resignations, or terminations.

3/25: 15
4/8: 19
4/22: 14
5/6: 7
5/20: 12
6/3: 10
6/17: 17

So was that an affirmation or a rebuttal of my comment?

My understanding is they have already scraped the bottom of the barrel to get these above. Where more qualified pilots will come from is anybody's guess when other airlines are offering short upgrades, flow thorough and signing bonuses.

vtpilot 07-04-2013 07:40 AM


Originally Posted by Captain Tony (Post 1439136)
So was that an affirmation or a rebuttal of my comment?


It's obviously an affirmation. Based on the numbers presented, the average class size this year has been 13.4 new hires/ class. Even throwing out the high and low it is only 13.6/ class. So when they announce 2 classes of 24 per month, the numbers don't even begin to add up, but what do I know. It's just a statistical observation; take it or leave it.

New Guy 007 07-05-2013 08:02 AM


Originally Posted by DENpilot (Post 1438997)
Actually it is 24 per class and 2 classes a month for the ERJ side.

"24 new hire ERJ pilots will begin training on July 8. On July 22, 24 ERJ pilots and 20 CRJ new hires will begin classes. We are actively hiring two ERJ new hire classes and one CRJ new hire class every month until the end of the year."

Hi DENpilot, I saw you post and was just wondering, i thought expressjet was one of the better airlines, it sounds like they are having issues filling classes. If that is the case, why?

snippercr 07-05-2013 08:22 AM


Originally Posted by 727flteng (Post 1439074)
Why does everyone always use the airline codes instead of just saying CommuteAir? Is is to make one appear to look cool or something? Never quite understood this....

I think it might be a thing among commuters since they have to use their codes more often, but other than that I have no idea since the letters tend to be almost arbitrary. I know my airlines and thats it. Someone could ask me what I thought about airline D4 or PR or ø╙ and I'd have no idea. But if you said "Crappy Regional A" or "Crappy regional B" or "REALLY crappy regional C" I'd know exactly what they were talking about.

seattlepilot 07-05-2013 08:36 AM


Originally Posted by 727flteng:1439074
Why does everyone always use the airline codes instead of just saying CommuteAir? Is is to make one appear to look cool or something? Never quite understood this....

Same reason why people dont type expressjet airlines, dalla fort worth international airport, canadair regional jet 700 series :)

MEMpilot 07-06-2013 09:24 AM


Originally Posted by New Guy 007 (Post 1439695)
Hi DENpilot, I saw you post and was just wondering, i thought expressjet was one of the better airlines, it sounds like they are having issues filling classes. If that is the case, why?

It's clearly because of the ATP rule coming into effect next month. That and as our CEO has mentioned, "a diminished interest in pursuing commercial aviation."

It's very hard for those getting into this profession for the first time to understand what is most important. Many will take the bait of a 'bonus' or 'short upgrade' or worst yet a 70 SEATER JET that makes them feel like a real airline pilot, despite having a salary that doesn't reflect the passenger count. Expressjet doesn't offer the enticements, however it will give you a good QOL (for a regional airline).

Expressjet has a great contract relative to the industry and in my opinion, this is what many need to focus on in order to preserve their self-respect and dignity. Don't take the bait, go where the contract will allow to wake up and not hate yourself and the decisions you've made by becoming a regional airline pilot. The job is fairly dehumanizing even at the 'best' regional, so try and go to one that won't totally destroy your soul in every manner. So yeah, read read read about contracts. Most important.

The honeymoon with your shiny 70 SEATER will end after six months to a year. Jumpseat around on different carriers and you'll develop a good picture of where the morale is lowest and at best, marginal.

680crewchief 07-06-2013 09:46 AM


Originally Posted by MEMpilot (Post 1440185)
It's clearly because of the ATP rule coming into effect next month. That and as our CEO has mentioned, "a diminished interest in pursuing commercial aviation."

It's very hard for those getting into this profession for the first time to understand what is most important. Many will take the bait of a 'bonus' or 'short upgrade' or worst yet a 70 SEATER JET that makes them feel like a real airline pilot, despite having a salary that doesn't reflect the passenger count. Expressjet doesn't offer the enticements, however it will give you a good QOL (for a regional airline).

Expressjet has a great contract relative to the industry and in my opinion, this is what many need to focus on in order to preserve their self-respect and dignity. Don't take the bait, go where the contract will allow to wake up and not hate yourself and the decisions you've made by becoming a regional airline pilot. The job is fairly dehumanizing even at the 'best' regional, so try and go to one that won't totally destroy your soul in every manner. So yeah, read read read about contracts. Most important.

The honeymoon with your shiny 70 SEATER will end after six months to a year. Jumpseat around on different carriers and you'll develop a good picture of where the morale is lowest and at best, marginal.

+1...yup...................

Captain Tony 07-07-2013 05:12 AM


Originally Posted by MEMpilot (Post 1440185)
It's clearly because of the ATP rule coming into effect next month. That and as our CEO has mentioned, "a diminished interest in pursuing commercial aviation."

It's very hard for those getting into this profession for the first time to understand what is most important. Many will take the bait of a 'bonus' or 'short upgrade' or worst yet a 70 SEATER JET that makes them feel like a real airline pilot, despite having a salary that doesn't reflect the passenger count. Expressjet doesn't offer the enticements, however it will give you a good QOL (for a regional airline).

Expressjet has a great contract relative to the industry and in my opinion, this is what many need to focus on in order to preserve their self-respect and dignity. Don't take the bait, go where the contract will allow to wake up and not hate yourself and the decisions you've made by becoming a regional airline pilot. The job is fairly dehumanizing even at the 'best' regional, so try and go to one that won't totally destroy your soul in every manner. So yeah, read read read about contracts. Most important.

The honeymoon with your shiny 70 SEATER will end after six months to a year. Jumpseat around on different carriers and you'll develop a good picture of where the morale is lowest and at best, marginal.

I know I've never been called Mr Optimism, but as one of the only big regionals left that haven't taken concessions, I see storm clouds on the horizon for ASA/Expressjet. Let's just say SKW isn't going to let us keep losing $25M/quarter forever and we're mostly a 50 seat airline. Every day, I hear more senior ASA pilots say they don't see the doors staying open more than 5 years. I know 15 and 20 year pilots that have apps in everywhere. So maybe these new entrants to the industry are reading the writing on the wall.


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