The new ATP regs require a pilot to obtain 1000 SIC in a 121 operation so at a minimum you will have 2+ years as an FO, then if they want you to have to have 1000 Tpic then that's another two years. The B scale is not for new hires, the B scale will become reality for all pilots on property and at other regionals.

I am waiting on my reps response but the word is that the proposal was voted down.

I hope so. For once, we should hold the line.

This will be the end for Eagle as we know it.

The right thing was done.

Why do you say it will be the end of Eagle?

We have cost comparable to RAH, our biggest competitor today. We cost less than SKW inc, another competitor but we cost more than Pinnacle whom AMR can't contract with. In 2016 AMR will get an adjustment that will ensure they are getting feed at prices of the two lowest regionals with comparable size. A B scale for new hires is not going to decide whether they will re fleet eagle. Companies willing to assume all liability, acquire the airframes, allow for multiple exit and adjustment clauses and willingness to underbid everyone else is what will decide this factor. AMR is currently spending a significant amount of money on new hires. The B Scale was about driving the whole industry down and putting you under such scale between now and 2016.

I don't think this will influence them one bit.

Wait a minute, I thought you said that the vote wouldn't affect the outcome?!?!?!?!


I don't even find you funny anymore, you might be a bit crazy and don't even know what you post anymore, you post to spread fear. You are always contradicting yourself. You sir are delusional :(

It's official. Now is up to other regionals to say NO!!!



Fellow American Eagle pilots:

This morning the MEC convened via telephone and passed the following motion regarding US Airways’ proposal to the EGL MEC:

The concept of a B scale is unacceptable and thus this document is unacceptable and shall NOT be sent for pilot ratification; further the MEC hereby declines any further negotiations with a reference to a B scale.

As you may be aware, US Airways and Eagle management had provided the Eagle MEC with this most recent proposal and stated that it was unable to come off of the B-Scale concept. Although this most recent offer contained a fleet plan, guaranteed by the mainline, which included the delivery of “large RJ” aircraft, and a slightly increased flow to AA, the MEC overwhelmingly decided that the introduction of a B-Scale into the regional industry was not an acceptable means by which to accomplish these goals.

Eagle pilots know far too well that a guaranteed job at the mainline carrier can quickly be delayed by a decade or more, and further degradation of our segment of the industry not only fails to address cyclical stagnation but also severely damages pattern bargaining for our sister carriers.

US Airways has indicated that if the Eagle pilots do not enter into this agreement with management, then it will source these deliveries elsewhere. The burden now falls on our brothers and sisters at other carriers to take their own stand and stop further degradation of the industry by making concession after concession for the promise of new metal. We will continue to support them in this cause.

Fraternally,
TG

Thank you Eagle pilots and your union leadership!

HA and all the 9E cheerleaders were adament that everyone would cave. Not quite ;)

Time for everyone to stand with Eagle and refuse the US Airways offer

well for one, you aren't dealing with Delta....:rolleyes:

Gentleman, It's to early to celebrate.

The concept of a B scale is unacceptable and thus this document is unacceptable and shall NOT be sent for pilot ratification; further the MEC hereby declines any further negotiations with a reference to a B scale.

The B scale idea was rejected but the concessions negotiations are a go as long as the company returns to the table. It was a small step in the right direction but the storm is full steam ahead.

Give me a break, that's a **** poor excuse. DP is just as capable to do the same thing. Which coincidently looks to be what he is trying to do.

The Eagle MEC voted exactly how should have, much like the countless offers from management the 9E MEC, negotiating committee and 9E pilot group refused. Just because your management brought 9E into this argument doesn't mean 9E is the cause of what US Air is asking. Pinnacle held the line for years before gaining an industry leading contract and then being forced into bankruptcy with concessions.

No one here at Pinnacle wishes the decisions we had to make on any other carrier. Some here suggested the other regional MEC's should come to our aid before the vote, but the gallery was silent.

Congrats to the Eagle guys! Finally someone stands up for what we barely make.

9E IS the problem. You voted more than half of your selves out of a job and the rest for horrible wages. Delta bragged about how they got you to do it and the rest of the industry liked it. 9E started this. ZERO doubt about that.

9E's previous contract was hardly industry leading. Payrates not much better if at all than ASA and worse than XJT. Name a "leading" aspect of that contract that ASA or ExpressJet didn't have for years before that.

Excellent, now how about ALPA and APA working together to make this place worth coming to.

I suppose that everyone conveniently forgets this little snippet...

Actions speak louder than words. Pinnacle had the option to hold the line under threat of shut down. They chose to keep the doors open and create a target for other airline managements. The gallery being quiet means nothing. Eagle hung it out there today without a cheering section. It might be the end of them, but they knew that and still held...just sayin'.

Pinnacl held the line for years? Yeah, if by holding the line you mean the 1999 contract-4-jets signed through may 2005, and then continued to serve under the amendable date for another 6 years! 20.73/hr and then 24.39/hr 2nd year. Oh yeah they held the line! Then they bought your nonunion operation called Colgan and grew that tremendously while downgrading and displacing 9E captains. Yeah we held the line! You're welcome Colgan. Oh please. And the JCBA an industry leading contract? Maybe in your Colgan eyes, but the truth is it was a copy/paste of the mesaba contract plus a little payraise compared to original Mesaba rates. It was hardly industry-leading. XJT had several things in their contract far better than the jCBa. Put down the pipe.

The majors are bringing down the "top scale" regional costs - the expensive crews. Delta's highest Regional cockpit crew cost is $160.00 / flight hour as compared to $135 / flight hour at GoJets. Endeavor is not the lowest.

Future crew planning prompts them to level FOs at about the five year point - assuming they will shortly move into the left seat with higher pay. They will also try and level captains pay at about the twelve year point assuming a majority of them will have moved on to the majors by then.

There will be screaming, gnashing of teeth, foot dragging, game blaming, threats and promises of martyrdom and statements of "take one for the team." I think most of you should study the Endeavor (Pinnacle) pay scale and start your future financial planning.

I love how you are such a 9E cheerleader and seem proud of their accomplishments in other posts. Well, news flash, your crush is kind of sleazy and clearly you understand that by your last line here. Glad you're such a supporter.

Weak unions equals weak bargaining positions in which many in airline management see themselves as the predator seeking prey the airline employee.

absolutely correct - it is Northwest - Delta has left the industry. Just look at the mgmt. slate

Good for you Eagle Guys/Gals. The race to the bottom stops here. Now if air whiskey, Horizon, SKW/ASA XJT and heck even GoJets (its a stretch i know)stand firm in their belief of a livable wage we will have the upper hand. All the while 9E pilots scratch their heads wondering where their balls went...

Thank you Eagle Pilots... Now its our turn guys/gals to say no, pinnacle rates are not the norm, they're the bottom feeders....

Does anyone else find it ironic for management to request concessions from an under-compensated workforce? C'mon now, there's no reason for ANY pilot group to vote yet...you don't make enough money to offer any concessions. This stuff needs to make the front page of a few newspapers, they already had a San Francisco article following the SFO crash that talked about window washers making wages higher than regional FO's...think their rate was $20 something an hour, and they don't have a 1,000 limit. Not to mention how many windows you can clean on the side ;)

I'm sure you're all aware of Eagles Vote which may have sealed their fate. If our airlines accepts "Pinnacle payrates as the new norm" we as a pilot group have positively sealed Eagles fate. Eagle pilots took a stand and now it's our turn to do the same for them. If we collectively say no as a pilot group albeit SKW/XJT, RAH, Air Wisc, PSA ect... We can start gaining back what this profession has already taken from us. The requirements for entry into 121 are higher than ever and we should be compensated as such...