Poor Great Lakes :(
#41
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Let's see: Poor Great Lakes is having a hard time staffing flights not even one month into the "ATP rule" and only 2/3 into a year with the lowest (age 65) retirements projected for the next 18 years. What is going to miraculously change their plight? When are the airlines going to stop "poaching their pilots?" I think GL is toast in the next few years.
Retirement numbers (age 65) are available all over this site but as a review there are roughly 19,000 (age 65) retirements scheduled in the next 10 years alone. Think about that. That's about 5 pilots a day, every day for the next 10 years headed out the door. There's another 16,000 (age 65) retirements forecast the 10 years after that. The only measures that will mitigate this train wreck are:
1) MPL replacing the new ATP rule
2) No retirement age
Just my humble opinion.
S.B.
Let's see: Poor Great Lakes is having a hard time staffing flights not even one month into the "ATP rule" and only 2/3 into a year with the lowest (age 65) retirements projected for the next 18 years. What is going to miraculously change their plight? When are the airlines going to stop "poaching their pilots?" I think GL is toast in the next few years.
Retirement numbers (age 65) are available all over this site but as a review there are roughly 19,000 (age 65) retirements scheduled in the next 10 years alone. Think about that. That's about 5 pilots a day, every day for the next 10 years headed out the door. There's another 16,000 (age 65) retirements forecast the 10 years after that. The only measures that will mitigate this train wreck are:
1) MPL replacing the new ATP rule
2) No retirement age
Just my humble opinion.
S.B.
#42
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Let's see: Poor Great Lakes is having a hard time staffing flights not even one month into the "ATP rule" and only 2/3 into a year with the lowest (age 65) retirements projected for the next 18 years. What is going to miraculously change their plight? When are the airlines going to stop "poaching their pilots?" I think GL is toast in the next few years.
Retirement numbers (age 65) are available all over this site but as a review there are roughly 19,000 (age 65) retirements scheduled in the next 10 years alone. Think about that. That's about 5 pilots a day, every day for the next 10 years headed out the door. There's another 16,000 (age 65) retirements forecast the 10 years after that. The only measures that will mitigate this train wreck are:
1) MPL replacing the new ATP rule
2) No retirement age
Just my humble opinion.
S.B.
Let's see: Poor Great Lakes is having a hard time staffing flights not even one month into the "ATP rule" and only 2/3 into a year with the lowest (age 65) retirements projected for the next 18 years. What is going to miraculously change their plight? When are the airlines going to stop "poaching their pilots?" I think GL is toast in the next few years.
Retirement numbers (age 65) are available all over this site but as a review there are roughly 19,000 (age 65) retirements scheduled in the next 10 years alone. Think about that. That's about 5 pilots a day, every day for the next 10 years headed out the door. There's another 16,000 (age 65) retirements forecast the 10 years after that. The only measures that will mitigate this train wreck are:
1) MPL replacing the new ATP rule
2) No retirement age
Just my humble opinion.
S.B.
#43
This problem will march its way up the food chain. It's starting with GLA, will progress to Hulas Kanodia's Flying Circus and on up to Skywest. Finally it will affect the majors and THAT is when the politicians will get involved IMHO.
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Couple that in with fractional guys. High time pilots who are stuck in the right seat of a bizjet for the rest of their lives. Look at Netjets. 495 on furlough, 60% of the active guys on CA pay, the other 40% are looking at a 12 year upgrade (on top of the 7-10 they've already done). The whole operation screams "mass exodus".
#45
The majors will have a deep enough pool to choose from for the forseable future between regional pilots, mil guys, and frac pilots looking for an upgrade. I can see at some point the majors slow or even stop hiring regional guys for a while in order to preserve the feed. I know the military guys are fewer and farther between than in the past, but there may still be enough.
Couple that in with fractional guys. High time pilots who are stuck in the right seat of a bizjet for the rest of their lives. Look at Netjets. 495 on furlough, 60% of the active guys on CA pay, the other 40% are looking at a 12 year upgrade (on top of the 7-10 they've already done). The whole operation screams "mass exodus".
Couple that in with fractional guys. High time pilots who are stuck in the right seat of a bizjet for the rest of their lives. Look at Netjets. 495 on furlough, 60% of the active guys on CA pay, the other 40% are looking at a 12 year upgrade (on top of the 7-10 they've already done). The whole operation screams "mass exodus".
Just for perspective, Net Jets has 3,000 pilots on their seniority list. This is about 18 months of forecast (age 65) retirement attrition. Every single pilot on that list could be hired and there would still be 16,000 more retirements after them in the next 10 years alone.
The bottom line is you cannot retire (under current rules) 2,000 pilots a year indefinitely and expect the industry to remain static. It will be interesting to watch.
S.B.
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Let's see: Poor Great Lakes is having a hard time staffing flights not even one month into the "ATP rule" and only 2/3 into a year with the lowest (age 65) retirements projected for the next 18 years. What is going to miraculously change their plight? When are the airlines going to stop "poaching their pilots?" I think GL is toast in the next few years.
Retirement numbers (age 65) are available all over this site but as a review there are roughly 19,000 (age 65) retirements scheduled in the next 10 years alone. Think about that. That's about 5 pilots a day, every day for the next 10 years headed out the door. There's another 16,000 (age 65) retirements forecast the 10 years after that. The only measures that will mitigate this train wreck are:
1) MPL replacing the new ATP rule
2) No retirement age
Just my humble opinion.
S.B.
Let's see: Poor Great Lakes is having a hard time staffing flights not even one month into the "ATP rule" and only 2/3 into a year with the lowest (age 65) retirements projected for the next 18 years. What is going to miraculously change their plight? When are the airlines going to stop "poaching their pilots?" I think GL is toast in the next few years.
Retirement numbers (age 65) are available all over this site but as a review there are roughly 19,000 (age 65) retirements scheduled in the next 10 years alone. Think about that. That's about 5 pilots a day, every day for the next 10 years headed out the door. There's another 16,000 (age 65) retirements forecast the 10 years after that. The only measures that will mitigate this train wreck are:
1) MPL replacing the new ATP rule
2) No retirement age
Just my humble opinion.
S.B.
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Let's see: Poor Great Lakes is having a hard time staffing flights not even one month into the "ATP rule" and only 2/3 into a year with the lowest (age 65) retirements projected for the next 18 years. What is going to miraculously change their plight? When are the airlines going to stop "poaching their pilots?" I think GL is toast in the next few years.
Retirement numbers (age 65) are available all over this site but as a review there are roughly 19,000 (age 65) retirements scheduled in the next 10 years alone. Think about that. That's about 5 pilots a day, every day for the next 10 years headed out the door. There's another 16,000 (age 65) retirements forecast the 10 years after that. The only measures that will mitigate this train wreck are:
1) MPL replacing the new ATP rule
2) No retirement age
Just my humble opinion.
S.B.
Let's see: Poor Great Lakes is having a hard time staffing flights not even one month into the "ATP rule" and only 2/3 into a year with the lowest (age 65) retirements projected for the next 18 years. What is going to miraculously change their plight? When are the airlines going to stop "poaching their pilots?" I think GL is toast in the next few years.
Retirement numbers (age 65) are available all over this site but as a review there are roughly 19,000 (age 65) retirements scheduled in the next 10 years alone. Think about that. That's about 5 pilots a day, every day for the next 10 years headed out the door. There's another 16,000 (age 65) retirements forecast the 10 years after that. The only measures that will mitigate this train wreck are:
1) MPL replacing the new ATP rule
2) No retirement age
Just my humble opinion.
S.B.
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