Of these 3 regional airlines??
 

Of these three regional airlines, Compass, ExpressJet, or Mesa, which is the fastest upgrade to Captain, pay, or QOL. Could some pilots who fly for these companies please give me their opinion of their employers. Thanks very much.

If you're an FO in in the 727 as your name implies, you should know better then to chase a quick upgrade

If upgrade is your goal.....not ExpressJet

Same question only GoJet instead of Mesa.

B727 right seat many years ago, Part 135 today.

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Compass is running about 4 years to upgrade right now, will go way down if these mythical flows to Delta actually happen. Pay is ok for regionals and contract has some pluses and minuses with the very big caveat that it is up for renewal with TSH and will be done with negotiations and have a new contract by Nov. New one in all likelihood will be worse than current one.

IF PSA gets the new airframes they've been talking about...would be quite quick here as well. Currently 6 year upgrade, could go down to 3 or less if we get 40 some odd airplanes.

For someone with 727 and part 135 time I would say none of them.

An experienced pilot shouldn't have to start over at the bottom of a regional airline for 20k a year.

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Good luck.

Maybe he bought his 72 time.

And whoever answers this question accurately, please give me the winning Powerball numbers. Thanks in advance. :cool:

There are many factors which determine upgrade speed, and it may have nothing to do withe the "quality" of the regional.

Growth, stagnation, shrinkage...management has some control, but may be hampered by their own costs if the competition is growing or just has lower costs (ie bottom feeders). Expressjet is owned by SKW, Inc which tends to compete well but there's no guarantee when Inc wins a contract as to which subsidiary it would go to.

Major hiring...one would think this would affect all regionals equally but but compass for example has a lot of guys eligible for DAL flow-through so new hires could likely move faster.

Me personally I would probably go with CZ...not a horrible place to work (like mesa) and there's a very high chance of movement when DAL hires. Note that you will not get flow-through to DAL, that's only for the guys who were there when DAL merged with NWA.

Never base your career decisions on predictions for the future. You will only end up being grumpy and disapointed.

That's some funny stuff. Anyone with one ounce of foresight in the SKYW "family" knows ALL future growth will go to SkyWest Airlines, the non union side. If you don't understand the reasons for that, then your opinion of other regionals probably isn't very valid either.

I thought L-ASA had some language regarding equitable sharing of growth?

Since I'm at SKW I would love to think well be getting all future growth but I don't really have that feeling. And I have plenty of insight.

You "thought"? Our contract is readily available online. Read it instead of guessing. We have no guarantees of anything except in the extremely rare instance that airplanes are directly transferred, which will never happen. The reason you will get all growth, is because with no actual contract, you provide the company the "competitive flexibility" they think they need and have been pounding us to give them in negotiations. Your "contract" can be modified with the sending of an internal memo. Ours is expensive to modify (violate). Therefore, they would rather deal with your side.

L-ASA always showed a willingness to work with SKYW toward mutual goals. With the acquisition of XJT, we've taken on a majority who wants to poke the company in the eye and burn it down just because we can. SKYW wants no part of that. As far as I am concerned, our fate was sealed the day we got a common FAA certificate.

Then why did you guys get the Eagle DFW flying and not OO?

What's so special about 727 time? Or 135 time? There's nothing wrong with it but it's really no different than RJ time.

People need to stop thinking in terms of what airplane people fly. It really doesn't matter. What matters is where the decimal point lies on your paycheck.

Having flown a 727 entitles nobody to anything. And I don't think the OP was feeling that way.

A buddy of mine with thousands of hours of SIC time on MD-11s in Europe (holding US and JAA ATP certs) was told by Delta in an interview that he had no PIC time in the airline world and was told to pound sand. He felt entitled of course because of his MD-11 time.

We need to stop differentiating 'mainline' and 'regional' equipment and stop fetishizing anything made by Boeing, Airbus or McDonnell-Douglas.

That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

Go ahead and stick to it... It's dead wrong though.

Inc. needed a home for existing CR2's + crews.

I don't believe the answer is that simple

Because most people starting out at Compass, Express, or Mesa probably have a background of bashing the pattern in a 172, with zero prior 135 or 121 experience.

But someone who has time in a 727 or 737 or A320 etc has already proven that they can make it through an airline training program and will have experience in CRM, multi crew environment, 121 regs, 121 operations, advanced aircraft systems, etc.

No one mentioned anything about entitlements. Just the value of experience, which is worth more than the 20k starting salary offered by the regionals.

This post shows a real disconnect with what has been happening with the 'regionals' over the last 5-10 years. Compass has many pilots with international PIC time from ATA, 20+ year military retirees, current military reservists flying fighters, heavy cargo, etc in very hostile situations, and almost everyone at the company has at least one prior 121 airline on their résumé. They are NOT coming from anything close to a 172, and if that's what you really think then you really aren't aware of who exactly is flying around all those 'regional' airliners.

OK chief.

Most people leave the regionals for the jobs you mentioned, not the other way around.

Your comments give me hope that there will in fact be a pilot shortage at the majors. All those guys will be leaving to go fly for Compass!

Well... He's right.

No, you are just choosing to ignore my point about the experience level of regional guys. There are MANY people with as much or more experience than someone with 727 right seat time. Of course no one in their right mind will come to Compass over any legacy, major, LCC, national carrier etc. But not everyone there is just some guy with 1501 hours straight out of the pattern in a 172 with no clue what's going on.

Sorry, did I say 172? I meant those bad ass Piper Seminoles!

My bad. ;)

No sweat, I thought that's what you meant. :)

You mean that temporary agreement to fly for them until 2016? They could do that or park them immediately. Now they get parked in 2016 and SKYW has a foot in the door to bid for E175 flying for your side. Get it now?

Sure, when you guys vote yes and become just one number above pinnacle.

My buddy there says a lot of people jumping and celebrating new planes. But for what will you guys give away? Pay? Benefits?

Are you guys will lower the bar for planes? Or are going to stay strong? All the regionals need us, there's no time for concessions...

I say an incomprehensible thing to you all... Lets wait and see. You weren't in the negotiating room and neither was I. Neither was any PSA person aside from the delegated people. So before we all jump to conclusions that we are gonna endeavor air ourselves lets just wait and see?

Like you said, wait and see.

All I tell you is that they did not negotiated pay raises or benefits.

Concessions will hurt everybody that are in negotiations for a new contract.

You guys need to draw the line in the sand and get your brothers at PDT do the same. Only that way we (Eagle/PSA&PDT) will make them show their real cards.

AA and USAir made huge profits last quarter. They have money to pay us, so stand proud.

PilotJ3, unless you have walked for 89 day's
 

In standing the line trying to better this industry ended Comair! We drew the line all it got us was free pizza ended a great airline.

Captainrj

UOTE=PilotJ3;1475404]Like you said, wait and see.

All I tell you is that they did not negotiated pay raises or benefits.

Concessions will hurt everybody that are in negotiations for a new contract.

You guys need to draw the line in the sand and get your brothers at PDT do the same. Only that way we (Eagle/PSA&PDT) will make them show their real cards.

AA and USAir made huge profits last quarter. They have money to pay us, so stand proud.[/QUOTE]

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200% agreed

I think you meant "comma" but I still agree with you bro.

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Commair was a different story. There was a surplus of pilot pool. Right now there's a lot less people with the qualifications to be hired. Just with the ATP minimums rule and FTDT rules, they need us.

Commair drew the line in a strike

I agree that dude is delusional at best

The above sentence is the direct quote that I was responding to, my post had nothing to do with people choosing other jobs over coming to Compass or any other regional. I was merely trying to defend these regional airline pilot groups and say that there are many different backgrounds for the people working there and most of them do not in any way resemble the above post. I think it's a little sad that ExpressJet is included in the above post and yet you don't seem to have any heartache with that, just with me trying to defend the pilots working there for some reason. :confused: