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What 09-15-2013 04:22 PM


Originally Posted by John Carr (Post 1484623)
Usually whenever ANY company is in CBA negotiations, these types of charts/graphs/explainations get put together.

If you have a friend at UAL, they may have the couple hundred page power point presentation that basically did it for the legacies, to include some LCCs as well.

Well if you look around 90% of the regionals are either in section six due to the contract becoming amendable or they are being forced to chat concessions!

John Carr 09-15-2013 04:50 PM


Originally Posted by What (Post 1484625)
Well if you look around 90% of the regionals are either in section six due to the contract becoming amendable or they are being forced to chat concessions!

True.

But the guy asked a question if such a comparison existed for the majors, and I simply answered it for him.

As well as the collateral answer that they pop up whenever there a CBA in talks. So if/when AA/USAir and DAL start their talks, there will be one for the majors. Or he an simply reference the most recent, done by UAL.

Spoilers 09-15-2013 05:06 PM

Snap shot of ALPA carriers? So, why is Skywest and GoJets listed?

Nevets 09-15-2013 06:40 PM


Originally Posted by John Carr (Post 1484642)

Originally Posted by What (Post 1484625)
Well if you look around 90% of the regionals are either in section six due to the contract becoming amendable or they are being forced to chat concessions!

True.

But the guy asked a question if such a comparison existed for the majors, and I simply answered it for him.

As well as the collateral answer that they pop up whenever there a CBA in talks. So if/when AA/USAir and DAL start their talks, there will be one for the majors. Or he an simply reference the most recent, done by UAL.

Yup, I have both the one done for the DAL TA and the UCH TA. I just don't know how to post it on here.


Originally Posted by Spoilers (Post 1484644)
Snap shot of ALPA carriers? So, why is Skywest and GoJets listed?

These comparisons made by the ALPA E & FA department typically include all airlines, as non-ALPA carriers' contract or work rules (in case of non-union airlines) affect negotiations.

Would you rather not know?

CaptainCarl 09-16-2013 02:06 AM


Originally Posted by Temocil27 (Post 1484425)
Some of the carrier info is incorrect. Take these charts for what they're worth

Yup.

Silver Airways corrections:
-Duty Rig (2:1) :eek:
-Minimum pay per duty period (3 hrs., not 4).
-Deadhead pay is 50% for the first 5 hours (not including any travel to/from training events) and 100% thereafter.
-Open time pick up on a day off is 100%, unless they call you, then it's LDO (Lost Day Off) pay (150% for any flying or minimum 6 hours pay, whichever is greater).
-Per Diem is $1.75 (increases $0.05 the first of each year e.g. $1.80 starting 01JAN2014, $1.85 starting 01JAN2015, etc.).
-Max accrual for sick leave is 160 hours.

Nonetheless, good info, I hope you guys get what you want and then some.

Salukipilot4590 09-16-2013 05:00 AM


Originally Posted by CaptainCarl (Post 1484760)
Yup.

Silver Airways corrections:
-Duty Rig (2:1) :eek:
-Minimum pay per duty period (3 hrs., not 4).
-Deadhead pay is 50% for the first 5 hours (not including any travel to/from training events) and 100% thereafter.
-Open time pick up on a day off is 100%, unless they call you, then it's LDO (Lost Day Off) pay (150% for any flying or minimum 6 hours pay, whichever is greater).
-Per Diem is $1.75 (increases $0.05 the first of each year e.g. $1.80 starting 01JAN2014, $1.85 starting 01JAN2015, etc.).
-Max accrual for sick leave is 160 hours.

Nonetheless, good info, I hope you guys get what you want and then some.

Damn Carl!

You've gotta stop beating me to post haha!

BoilerUP 09-16-2013 07:20 AM

Kind of sad how well Air Wisconsin's decade old concessionary contract stacks up against the others...

John Carr 09-16-2013 09:20 AM


Originally Posted by BoilerUP (Post 1484851)
Kind of sad how well Air Wisconsin's decade old concessionary contract stacks up against the others...

True Statement. As well as one of my former (now extinct) employers. And the "meat and potatoes" of them came from the late 90's.

prior121 09-16-2013 09:59 AM

I see a lot of incorrect RAH errrr "chautauqua" stuff on there.

Moonwolf 09-16-2013 10:16 AM


Originally Posted by Tex 27 (Post 1484425)
Some of the carrier info is incorrect. Take these charts for what they're worth

I wouldnt expect much from alpa.


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