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When you are in IOE, is this done out of your assigned base, or wherever they decide to put you for the 25 or so hours?

at PCL it was kinda up to you... I am based in DTW (initially) but asked and did all my OE in memphis (cause I live there). Others did OE in MSP that lived up there. Those who were going to just stay in DTW for the forseeable future just did it in DTW. Kinda vague but if there are enough check airmen I am sure you can request to do it at different bases, if you dont ask for something you will prob do it in the base in which you are based. As far as time, they will just bump an FO off a line trip and you will fly it with the check airmen. I had to do 30 hours and after the trip I actually had a little over 30 hours. Hope that helps.

It would depend on the company. If you are based at a small base, chances are there aren't any check airmen there. That being said, at most companies, the Company is required to positive space you from your assigned domicile to any training events, so as long as you live in domicile you should be able to get there.

Also, I did way more than 25 hours. I think I did 45 or so for OE.

That helps a lot. Thank you. Looks as though IOE can be a lot of fun if you are able to choose where you fly.:)

Thanks! I can see at some of the regionals that fly and are based at small uncontrolled fields where there would be no check airmen. But as long as they can get you where you need to go, I guess it should work out ok.

Me too. I was scheduled two four-day trips for IOE, and think I actually blocked 37-40 hours.

The longer you are on IOE, the shorter you have to sit reserve :D

Yeah that's what I had. Two fairly high credit 4-days, with over blocking. It worked out though, I had 95 hours of credit for the month and worked 8 days total :D (and didn't sit any on reserve)!

I told my company where I lived and they just deadheaded me from there to pick up my IOE trip. And it was exactly 25 hours...they pulled me off in the middle of the trip cuz I was done and they were pay-protecting the FO that got removed. Factor in the amount of time it takes for a captain to send in the paperwork to say I'm good to go and I got a nice looooong weekend.

So you still go on overnights while on IOE, or is IOE all out and backs?

Ok i'm gonna bite. What's IOE. I'm not there yet so fill me in. I'm all about getting paid for a lot of work in a short period so I wanna know what Boiler and fosters are talking about lol.

Initial Operating Experience......basically its where you fly a few trips with a check airmen and he determines whether or not you are OK to start flying the line.....guys that have been there can prolly provide more info

40+ hours of IOE.. you guys must suck :eek:

who the hell need 40 hours of IOE if you dont have it in 20 hours you are probably not going to get it.. I suggest you look into another line of work

I got based in DTW and did some of it out of MEM and DTW. I think it depends on where they can find a check airman. I got sign off in about 28 hrs.

I don't think they actually NEEDED 40 hours...they probably just got assigned to go on two 4-day trips and that's how long they took.

Yay for reading comprehension!

When you get assigned two four-day trips blocked at 19-20 hours each for IOE (because the CKA bid commutable trips and thats what is on his line) its pretty common to get 40 hours of IOE. Its not that you need it, but its what you get anyway.

Besides, as I said, the longer you are on IOE the shorter you are on reserve.

Even if you got stuck in IOE for 40+ hours, that's probably not a bad thing as like Boiler said, less reserve and the captain you are flying with is probably a damn good pilot who will teach you something.

Wow. Tell ya what. Why don't you go ahead and read the posts in this thread and then make that comment. Did we "need" 40 hours of OE? No. I was good to go after the first trip according to my CA. However, the person doing the training scheduling gave me 2 4-day trips before I had even begun OE. With overages that worked out to 44 hours.

Also, anyone who thinks they "have it" after just 20-50 hours in an airline environment really doesn't "have it". You "have it" after 500+ hours of working in all types of weather with all kinds of crews. OE is like the private license - a license to learn.

As usual adding fuel to a flame, speaking without reading. It isn't that people needed it. It was how they were scheduled and some were getting extra hours of pay in the long run.

More importantly...if the check airman signs you off on day one of four, he may or may not get his original FO back, but he will definately not get his IOE overide pay :eek: My gut feeling tells me you can expect to get signed off on the last leg home on the last day :rolleyes:

Bingo. I did my IOE with the #25 guy in the company so he didn't have any of those time waster 4 days. I had just about 30 hours in 7 days.

It depends by company on the availability of IOE captains and how soon the company needs you on the line. So some people have said they got to choose, I did not, I got told where to turn up and what I was flying.

Thanks for your reply. I guess when it comes time for IOE I'll just roll with it and have some fun.:D Has anyone had bad IOE experiences?

Well when the check airman is spending most of his time wiping the snot from my nose and cleaning up after me, its hard to squeeze in all that training stuff thats supposed to happen. I wish I was as good as you KA:rolleyes:

And you'll just roll with it while on reserve, and while being a junior line holder and when weather hits the hub, etc etc etc. Name of the game in this business is roll with it. If you're not able to adapt when things don't go exactly to plan then you are going to have a rough time in this business.

I work at an FBO at a Colgan base and time and time again I see things not going according to plan (wx, mx, etc) and those guys are just so laid back and deal with it very well. I agree with you that this is the right attitude because if you got mad over something not going right, you likely wouldn't last a day.