Pre Merger 9E pilots screwed again...
 

Thanks for all you do...
I'm sick and tired of this crap



Fellow Pilots,

Arbitrator Bloch has provided his ruling on the Pre-Merger Pinnacle Pilots Claim over Realignment 13-02. Mr. Bloch states that “Based on my review of the record and submissions in this matter, I have concluded that the claim of the Pinnacle Representatives is denied." The DRC representatives agreed prior to the hearing that this ruling would resolve all known claims with respect to 13-02 through Rev. 2. Mr. Bloch provided this decision in the interest of time and "will forward the full Opinion and Award in the next 48-72 hours."

Please contact your Pre-Merger DRC representative if you have any questions, but note that the DRC expects the full Opinion and Award to be delivered in the next 48-72hours.


The Endeavor DRC

Dick Bloch just repeated what every pinnacle guy has known since being hired, you are gonna get the shawshank treatment. If your a colgan guy you pretend this is fair and ignore reality, cause your sitting where you never should have been sitting.

Pre Merger 9E pilots screwed again...
 

What is the change ? Or ruling ?

So.......Bloch gives his original ruling, company follows said ruling on vacancies, XJ DRC says company correctly followed said ruling, 9L DRC says company correctly followed said ruling, Bloch comes back and says company followed said ruling.......

I'm not getting the part where anyone got screwed AGAIN. Everyone was screwed as soon as it went to Bloch to give the ISL the first time.

Just because 9E guys think the award should be interpreted differently, doesn't make it wrong.

There are plenty of Mesaba being screwed by this too.... This thing was botched from the very first moment of the merger. The only solution is to put the entire beast down now, it's too wounded to save.

Is pinnacle not below their quotas? If so, it was done wrong...

Too little. Too late. Pure and simple.

Where would a mid 07 9L guy be? RJ CA?

Yes.

But to become Captain now is an ever changing proposition because of so many people leaving and creating open quota positions.

With new airplanes coming, it looks like the 900 captain position will start to go to some 9L after the quotas are filled, because that's where new positions are being created and those go by straight seniority once the quotas are filled.

Is this a plausible scenario. New 900s coming on property which creates a vacancy. Said vacancy is filled by 9E/XJ guys leaving the 200. Now there is basically a vacancy for 200 CAs which if I am not mistaken must go to the 9E/XJ groups until they reach their "quota."

If so it kind if reminds me of when this whole list came out and 9L guys were basically living in a tube. Guy leaves the Q going to the jet, Q CA slot opens up, said slot must be filled by 9L pilot, Saab CA or FO moves or upgrades to the Q thus opening up a Saab CA slot which is filled by 2010 hire since 9E/XJ guys couldn't touch the 9L planes.

Obviously it isn't that simple. You want to complain to someone? Call Bloch or call the 9E original DRC people, they are the ones that could of pushed for a DOH and saved us all from this joke of an ISL.

There would have been riots in the streets and most 9e peeps would have tarred and feathered them if they pushed DOH.

While I no longer have a dog in this fight I find it ironic that the day the ISL came out it was a huge win for pinnacle FO'S as they all gained relative seniority. The only thing I wish is for endeavour pilots to get hired where they want to end up sooner rather than later.

You don't know, Saabs. You don't know.

Don't know what? That I wish for everyone at endeavour to move on to their desired carrier?

Really??? why was that. Could it be that there was terrible communication between the merger committee and the pilot group? I can't imagine that the merger committee actually thought that they could get something better by bullying Block. They should've explained the dangers of pursuing a staple or whatever the h$ll they were trying to do and the fact the a staple or anything close to a staple is rarely used and try to educate the pilot group. Instead they pushed for the impossible and at the end made Block the bad guy

It is that simple. There are quotas and each group fills its quotas, according to Bloch, and after that it goes on relative seniority. But somehow the other two groups don't see it that way and are going to fight tooth and nail like a bunch of entitled spoiled kids. So please enlighten me on what I'm suppose to ask the reps?

Quit your *****ing and enjoy those concessions! I hope everyone at Endeavour who voted yes to that ****ty contract ends up stuck there and reaps the benefit of that great contract they voted in.

get over it
 

I understand getting screwed but it is what it is. After almost a year of bonding with fellow pilot groups, becoming one, and beginning to forget stupid squabbles of yesteryear, I just the other day started to hear again about this dividing bull****...it really annoyed me because it was pre-merger pinnacle pilots basically acting like they were the only ones screwed by the seniority merger. Im a 6 year FO and I got pinnacle guys hired 2-3 years after me, 200 numbers senior, so get over it, everybody got screwed except...everybody got screwed!!!! Mesaba senior captains got seniority but hate the new company (and most are leaving anyway), pinnacle senior captains are junior to the mesaba ones but are used to the company, and everybody below that aside from some colgan guys were simply jumbled up and mixed randomly and in a way which made no sense. Get over it. In the words of a particular person in management "If you don't like it, there's the door."

The lawyer that your pilot group agreed to use doesn't agree with you. It doesn't matter what the two other groups think, Bloch ruled and it is what it is. I don't think complaining on here isn't going to get you much sympathy. It is over, let it go.

any dispute pre-merger 9E pilots should have, should be brought up with their ISL committee/company...how many times did we wait for a correct seniority list to be provided to the arbitrator...I thank that ****ed Bloch off

nice way to put words in my mouth and completely misinterpret my post. All I said was most Pinnacle guys I know, including myself, would have been severely hurt by DOH. Several hundred numbers in my case. Especially those in the 8-13 year group or so. Read my original post again and see where I even mentioned a staple or any other method.

On a side note, I always find it funny when the majority of the pilot group, with regards to the ISL or a contract, tells the ISL guys "shoot for the stars, no mercy" ( including the large number that were vocally pro-staple) and when they do that and the arbitration doesn't go their way they suddenly say "you guys asked for way too much!!!!! are you crazy!!!"

The only people that made it out safe were the top 2% on the XJ and 9E lists, and most of the Colgan list. The majority of mid level 9e, and especially XJ guys, really took it in the rear. I don't dispute that point.

No, once you go to the arbitrator with ALPA merger policy, you get an equipment award. None of the proposals mattered, nor did the infighting. I laid out how it was going to go in a previous post here before the SLI. We have exactly the same situation USair/AW had/has.

Do you think I'm physic? Your post was pretty vague. How was I supposed to know how it was personally going to affect you? I do know that there was a very vocal percentage that was in favor of a staple or an integration much like they gave the Mesaba and Colgan flight attendants in the begining

I know you must have some bitterness that Endeavor wouldn't hire you but not everyone can make it through the program. You can still try for flight attendant but that may not be easy for you also. I wish you luck...