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Al Czervik 02-12-2014 03:07 PM


Originally Posted by JD832 (Post 1579796)
The E190 also includes tail strike protection which limits your AOA in the flare.

Can you explain this?

JD832 02-12-2014 06:29 PM


Originally Posted by Al Czervik (Post 1579994)
Can you explain this?

The "Tail Strike Avoidance" is a fly-by-wire function for takeoff and landing flaps 5 or 6. During landing, it measures the height above ground level measured at the mains using two RA's to limit the pitch in the up direction by restricting the control column authority and for takeoff it uses vertical speed. The system is engaged within 20ft for T/O and 70ft and below for landing.

Al Czervik 02-13-2014 01:07 AM


Originally Posted by JD832 (Post 1580219)
The "Tail Strike Avoidance" is a fly-by-wire function for takeoff and landing flaps 5 or 6. During landing, it measures the height above ground level measured at the mains using two RA's to limit the pitch in the up direction by restricting the control column authority and for takeoff it uses vertical speed. The system is engaged within 20ft for T/O and 70ft and below for landing.

Thanks....

BoilerUP 02-13-2014 02:35 AM

Let FlightSafety do their thang man...try not to let your liver get destroyed in the process of cramming a 7 day training course into 14+.

bcrosier 02-13-2014 07:23 AM


Originally Posted by BoilerUP (Post 1580394)
Let FlightSafety do their thang man...try not to let your liver get destroyed in the process of cramming a 7 day training course into 14+.

This. If you can show up with limitations and memory items down you're ahead of the game. Don't worry about what or why they are, that will come when you get in class, just know them. If you have the chance to start learning flows from the SOP's as well, that will be beneficial. Again, just go for rote - don't worry about why you're doing things, again that will fall into place as you learn the systems. One of the issues I see with people is they don't take time to study for the sim because they're so worried about the oral, if you can get the rote items down ahead of time, you can then build those to higher levels of learning as you go through systems class and SIT/GFS _and_ show up prepared for sim.

JetGuy726 08-17-2014 12:51 AM

Here is a study guide

https://itunes.apple.com/us/book/erj...09588993?mt=11

Tinpusher007 08-17-2014 07:56 AM


Originally Posted by JD832 (Post 1579796)
If you're going to Republic make sure you have the A/C limitations including A/C weights committed to memory and you have the automation down packed with a full understanding of the VNAV functions.

I once jump seated on a RAH 175 and was talking to the capt about the airplane. He said RAH doesn't test it's pilots on weight limitations in the oral because the only way for you to get performance numbers is through ACARS and the system won't let you exceed any of the limits. I found this strange as we use aerodata/acars on our CRJs as well but still have to know limitations.

thump 08-17-2014 08:15 AM


Originally Posted by Tinpusher007 (Post 1707053)
I once jump seated on a RAH 175 and was talking to the capt about the airplane. He said RAH doesn't test it's pilots on weight limitations in the oral because the only way for you to get performance numbers is through ACARS and the system won't let you exceed any of the limits. I found this strange as we use aerodata/acars on our CRJs as well but still have to know limitations.

The guy above you bumped a really old thread. He also bumped a post from 2007. It's spam!

In all seriousness though, you don't have to memorize numbers that are listed on our release. An E170/190 rated pilot could end up having to memorize a ton of different numbers that are really wasted time since they are all available on the release paperwork. To illustrate why... between the various E170/175/190s in the fleet, there are at least 4 different max zero fuel weights used, 3 different max takeoff weights, and 3 different landing weights. What would be the scenario where you would need to have any of those numbers memorized for the safe conduct of the flight? The release includes things like BOW, MZFW, and all planned/max weights. The only things you need to memorize is max ramp weight since it's not listed on the release.

Our program here is focusing more on memorizing things that MUST be accomplished from memory for the safe conduct of the flight. E.G. flap speeds, gear speeds, getting your O2 mask on. For everything else, there is little reason for rote memorization.

Tinpusher007 08-17-2014 08:35 AM


Originally Posted by thump (Post 1707063)
The guy above you bumped a really old thread. He also bumped a post from 2007. It's spam!

In all seriousness though, you don't have to memorize numbers that are listed on our release. An E170/190 rated pilot could end up having to memorize a ton of different numbers that are really wasted time since they are all available on the release paperwork. To illustrate why... between the various E170/175/190s in the fleet, there are at least 4 different max zero fuel weights used, 3 different max takeoff weights, and 3 different landing weights. What would be the scenario where you would need to have any of those numbers memorized for the safe conduct of the flight? The release includes things like BOW, MZFW, and all planned/max weights. The only things you need to memorize is max ramp weight since it's not listed on the release.

Our program here is focusing more on memorizing things that MUST be accomplished from memory for the safe conduct of the flight. E.G. flap speeds, gear speeds, getting your O2 mask on. For everything else, there is little reason for rote memorization.

Makes sense. At Endeavor, we aren't dual qualed on the CR2 and CR9 so the weights we have to know are just for one or the other. The 900, and I assume the E170/175 aren't really weight critical in most situations either. However, they do quiz us on those items in the oral but it's not a big deal to memorize them.

TillerEnvy 08-17-2014 02:43 PM


Originally Posted by Tinpusher007 (Post 1707053)
I once jump seated on a RAH 175 and was talking to the capt about the airplane. He said RAH doesn't test it's pilots on weight limitations in the oral because the only way for you to get performance numbers is through ACARS and the system won't let you exceed any of the limits. I found this strange as we use aerodata/acars on our CRJs as well but still have to know limitations.


Not that it matters, but I've never been in an oral at Republic that didn't include weight limitations.


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