Preferential hiring for Eagle and XJT pilots?
 

They've done more with their "no" votes than we could ever ask for. It's a sacrifice that might cost them flying but it kept the bar about where it is. It would be an honest shame to see them lose jobs because of it.

Nice idea, but starting a thread here will not change anything. Email your reps!!

Again, I will ask if you are willing to write a letter of rec for those who have taken a stand so we may move on to a "hopefully" more stable position at a major/LCC/ULCC.

There is talk, and then there is action.

They will all be fine where they are at. It was all company bluff....it costs way more to move the flying around that to keep it where it is, not to mention staffing is a huge issue at the moment.

I am pretty sure recruiters know what is going on and will probably look more closely when coming across one.

The two guys I know that do hiring/recruiting at majors could give a rats a$$ about drama at the regional level. The have zero clue who votes for or against their TAs, and whether it was a good thing for the industry.

I hope they are in the minority. I am happy to see fellow pilots trying to better the profession.

Who actually makes the hiring decisions at an airline? If its controlled by management, why would they give preferential hiring to people that didn't want to work for less

Exactly what I was thinking

Well I guess I was thinking this was about going to another regional, definitely not a major.

One, no one at egl or expj will be furloughed anytime soon.

Second, hiring at majors and regional airlines is almost entirely pilot controlled.

didn't know, that's why i asked

Use to be. Not so much any more.

Good job with the no. Good luck with preferential hiring, ask Comair pilots about their preferential hiring.

Shrinkage is inevitable. I fully expect the CRJs to be moved in retribution, no matter how much it costs. Bottom 600 or so at risk, IMO.

Not a chance that the bottom 600 are at risk. Reasons why:

1) They wouldn't do it all at once. It would be something like 2-3 airplanes a month transferred. We currently have 47 CRJ7s. 47/3= about 15 months at the earliest. They haven't even announced yet when they planned to do this.

2) AE is losing 50+ pilots a month. 20-25 are leaving a month due to flow to AA. Another 25+ are leaving a month due to retirements, leaving for majors, leaving the industry, etc. 50+ pilots a month multiplied by 12 months = 600+ pilots leaving per year.

3) They would most likely want to place these airplanes at the backstabbing airline known as PSA. PSA is at maximum hiring capacity and will likely be so for the next year or so.

Have you been to an interview lately?

In the last few years, interviews (especially at the legacy carriers) have become almost entirely HR driven. Yes, pilots are still involved in the process, but they are no longer the decision makers.

It would not surprise me to see the Endeavor, GoJet, and PSA pilots getting hired before XJT and Eagle.

I don't have the numbers for other regionals but here at Xjt we are having high attrition the majors. So this just simply isn't true.

US Airways

+3

United

+10

Spirit

+3

Southwest

+7

JetBlue

+7

FlyDubai

+1

Delta

+1

Atlas Air

+2

American

+4

Allegiant

+1

Alaska

+2

This is from last month.

Don't forget: we have furlough protection for 95% of pilots on the list as of merger completion, and if they furlough they can't meter our flowthrough, and they know that anyone they furlough will be gone forever, and they admitted during negotiations that they wouldn't be able to furlough anybody no matter how we voted.

There could, however, be stagnation, as attrition picks up (and it will). Junior captains like me could lose our seats, it could really hurt. And in theory after a couple of years' worth of attrition, we could be small enough for them to "Comair" us, as they threatened to do. In theory. Still well worth the no vote.

I'm just guessing, but I think they'll try to give PSA our 47 CRJs, and try to give Mesa the 175 order. A little less sure about Mesa, but PSA has shown they'll fly anyone's planes for any price. The real question is how long until each airline fails to staff them. Our management told us they plan to staff flying at PSA with us--they said they would attempt to lure our FOs away by offering street captains or by setting up a flowthrough to AA at PSA. Most of our FOs would have no problem bailing Eagle but are ****ed enough to want to stay away from PSA. I'm sure they'd get a handful, but not much of the 800+ net pilots they need for the 30 new CRJs they are getting (that were offered to us w/ a b-scale and rejected) and our 47. With Republic parking their American Connection E140s, I'm wondering how quickly they can afford to shrink us anyway. Time will tell.

You conveniently left these out:

Retirement +2
Career change +7
"Other" +27.

Kind of skews your numbers a little bit, eh?

Other is also unknown. What did I skew? I simply posted attrition to the majors.

This isn't the first time I've heard about the whole idea of Eagle FO to PSA street captain, but how can that work? Maybe I'm just ignorant but wouldn't the PSA MEC have to agree to that and why would they want to do that, because that would be throwing their current members under the bus potentially. If that were to happen, PSA FOs would not upgrade due to the street captains from Eagle, in essence taking their spots from upgrade, especially if a large number of Eagle FOs did it. I don't think management can just arbitrarily do this without consent from PSA ALPA, but maybe I'm wrong. I don't doubt management may want to do this but I just can't imagine PSA ALPA agreeing to it or its members...talk about shooting yourself in the foot if they did.

Like I said maybe I'm wrong and ignorant to the whole matter.

You don't sound ignorant to me, those are great questions. I'm just passing along what the company told our union members in meetings before we rejected the AIP. Part of the reason we said no was because we question the veracity of their claims.

Among our other reasons: we are already profitable, and already have a provision of our current contract which protects a certain level of profit for them and adjusts our payscales accordingly. We just signed an 8-year bankruptcy concessionary contract a year ago. They are making the most money airlines have ever made before and are handing out record bonuses. They violate our contract on a daily basis. Perhaps most of all, staffing issues everywhere have given us some leverage. Add in our strong desire to not set the bar even lower for our industry, when we already sit at minimum wage starting salary. Most of our pilot group are not hardline types, myself included. But when you add up all of the above for many of us it was an obvious choice despite possible downsides.

people are getting called at eagle by EJT recruitment department for jobs as we speak.