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Originally Posted by NovemberBravo
(Post 1597033)
When does this thing get voted on?
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Nice good luck and Vote no. I think RAH would be the first to put forth a decent contract if pressured.
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Originally Posted by NovemberBravo
(Post 1597383)
Nice good luck and Vote no. I think RAH would be the first to put forth a decent contract if pressured.
I hope they tell management and their union to shove it. This industry needs to be fixed, there is a lot of momentum on our side, and if it doesn't happen now, it likely won't ever. XJT and Eagle had cast their votes, it should be easy for Republic, to do the same, with confidence, them being the last ones. |
Originally Posted by Deice Press
(Post 1596681)
This might be the worst TA to make it to voting in recent history. It's literally garbage, there's no way anyone should vote yes for this.
RAH 2014 TA: Min day: (Line holder) 4.0 (1 day) Min day: (Reserve) 4; 5 for airport standby Duty Rig: 1:2.5 (actual) Trip Rig: 1:4.2 (actual) Cancellation Pay: Trip by trip with plus up Deadhead Pay: 75% scheduled (actual on company) Taxi Pay: 15 min; 30 min in Hubs; Or rig credit Per Diem: $1.80; $1.90 DOS+2; $2.00 DOS+4 Minimum Guarantee: 75 Hours Premium Pay: 125% time over 87 hours Reserve Call out: 120 minutes Min Days off: 12 Lineholder; 11 Reserve Junior Manning: None Skywest (2011 Policy handbook) Min day (Line holder): 3.57 Min day (Reserve): 3.57 Duty Rig: 1:2 up to 12 hours (Scheduled) Trip Rig: None Cancellation Pay: Shift Cancellation Deadhead Pay: 100% scheduled Taxi Pay: 12 minutes; 30 min ORD Per Diem: $1.75 Minimum Guarantee: 75 Hours; 80 EMB120 Lineholder Premium Pay: None Reserve Call out: 120 minutes Min Days off: 11 in 31 day month; 10 for 30 day Junior Manning: Yes: 150% pay We get almost everything we need and want in this TA, while our peers have only some or mostly none of what the TA has in the way of rigs and protection. The only thing that would be concessionary about this TA would be to turn it down and languish in the weeds forever while our E-Board and our incompetent leader gets us nothing, just like they have done for years now. Now is the time to get a contract--not because we are tired of waiting, but because this TA is remarkably good IMHO. |
Originally Posted by Corona
(Post 1597641)
A friend of mine sent me this comparison:
RAH 2014 TA: Min day: (Line holder) 4.0 (1 day) Min day: (Reserve) 4; 5 for airport standby Duty Rig: 1:2.5 (actual) Trip Rig: 1:4.2 (actual) Cancellation Pay: Trip by trip with plus up Deadhead Pay: 75% scheduled (actual on company) Taxi Pay: 15 min; 30 min in Hubs; Or rig credit Per Diem: $1.80; $1.90 DOS+2; $2.00 DOS+4 Minimum Guarantee: 75 Hours Premium Pay: 125% time over 87 hours Reserve Call out: 120 minutes Min Days off: 12 Lineholder; 11 Reserve Junior Manning: None Skywest (2011 Policy handbook) Min day (Line holder): 3.57 Min day (Reserve): 3.57 Duty Rig: 1:2 up to 12 hours (Scheduled) Trip Rig: None Cancellation Pay: Shift Cancellation Deadhead Pay: 100% scheduled Taxi Pay: 12 minutes; 30 min ORD Per Diem: $1.75 Minimum Guarantee: 75 Hours; 80 EMB120 Lineholder Premium Pay: None Reserve Call out: 120 minutes Min Days off: 11 in 31 day month; 10 for 30 day Junior Manning: Yes: 150% pay We get almost everything we need and want in this TA, while our peers have only some or mostly none of what the TA has in the way of rigs and protection. The only thing that would be concessionary about this TA would be to turn it down and languish in the weeds forever while our E-Board and our incompetent leader gets us nothing, just like they have done for years now. Now is the time to get a contract--not because we are tired of waiting, but because this TA is remarkably good IMHO. You have read the language and see the GAPING holes in the language, right? I mean, the company would never use that against us. They would never argue when is a seat a seat, when is a base a base, what does "a pilot" mean.... and you are ok with being at the beck and call of scheduling? This is just to name a few things..... I guess I just found out who my NO vote will negate. |
Umm....still NOPE.
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Originally Posted by Corona
(Post 1597641)
Now is the time to get a contract--not because we are tired of waiting, but because this TA is remarkably good IMHO.
So you think that getting the same FO pay regardless of equipment is remarkably good? Cancellation pay by trip is remarkably good? No minimum daily credit is remarkably good? 1:2.5 and 1:4.2 is remarkably good? Please, these are below industry standard. Yes, below industry standard. Let alone industry leading! VOTE NO! |
Originally Posted by zoooropa
(Post 1596475)
This is hard to keep straight...
The RAH pilots that actually participated in the IBT Airline Division Negotiating Committee overwhelmingly support the TA. Meanwhile, the RAH Local 357 Executive Board starts their most recent Pay Day Update with the following sentence... "After receiving the Negotiating Team’s presentation on Friday, February 21, 2014, and, after very deliberative and careful consideration as to its merits in the last ten days, the Executive Board’s consensus is to put the TA to a membership vote without comment." How can the EBoard remain silent while the NC overwhelmingly endorses the TA? This is an incredibly conflicted message. One of the NC members is on the Eboard. How can he be silent in one letter to the membership and in support of the TA in another letter? This is incredibly dysfunctional and a COMPLETE failure of leadership by the E-Board. It's pretty simple, actually. |
Originally Posted by Corona
(Post 1597641)
A friend of mine sent me this comparison:
RAH 2014 TA: Min day: (Line holder) 4.0 (1 day) Min day: (Reserve) 4; 5 for airport standby Duty Rig: 1:2.5 (actual) Trip Rig: 1:4.2 (actual) Cancellation Pay: Trip by trip with plus up Deadhead Pay: 75% scheduled (actual on company) Taxi Pay: 15 min; 30 min in Hubs; Or rig credit Per Diem: $1.80; $1.90 DOS+2; $2.00 DOS+4 Minimum Guarantee: 75 Hours Premium Pay: 125% time over 87 hours Reserve Call out: 120 minutes Min Days off: 12 Lineholder; 11 Reserve Junior Manning: None Skywest (2011 Policy handbook) Min day (Line holder): 3.57 Min day (Reserve): 3.57 Duty Rig: 1:2 up to 12 hours (Scheduled) Trip Rig: None Cancellation Pay: Shift Cancellation Deadhead Pay: 100% scheduled Taxi Pay: 12 minutes; 30 min ORD Per Diem: $1.75 Minimum Guarantee: 75 Hours; 80 EMB120 Lineholder Premium Pay: None Reserve Call out: 120 minutes Min Days off: 11 in 31 day month; 10 for 30 day Junior Manning: Yes: 150% pay We get almost everything we need and want in this TA, while our peers have only some or mostly none of what the TA has in the way of rigs and protection. The only thing that would be concessionary about this TA would be to turn it down and languish in the weeds forever while our E-Board and our incompetent leader gets us nothing, just like they have done for years now. Now is the time to get a contract--not because we are tired of waiting, but because this TA is remarkably good IMHO. |
Originally Posted by Corona
(Post 1597641)
A friend of mine sent me this comparison:
RAH 2014 TA: Min day: (Line holder) 4.0 (1 day) Min day: (Reserve) 4; 5 for airport standby Duty Rig: 1:2.5 (actual) Trip Rig: 1:4.2 (actual) Cancellation Pay: Trip by trip with plus up Deadhead Pay: 75% scheduled (actual on company) Taxi Pay: 15 min; 30 min in Hubs; Or rig credit Per Diem: $1.80; $1.90 DOS+2; $2.00 DOS+4 Minimum Guarantee: 75 Hours Premium Pay: 125% time over 87 hours Reserve Call out: 120 minutes Min Days off: 12 Lineholder; 11 Reserve Junior Manning: None Skywest (2011 Policy handbook) Min day (Line holder): 3.57 Min day (Reserve): 3.57 Duty Rig: 1:2 up to 12 hours (Scheduled) Trip Rig: None Cancellation Pay: Shift Cancellation Deadhead Pay: 100% scheduled Taxi Pay: 12 minutes; 30 min ORD Per Diem: $1.75 Minimum Guarantee: 75 Hours; 80 EMB120 Lineholder Premium Pay: None Reserve Call out: 120 minutes Min Days off: 11 in 31 day month; 10 for 30 day Junior Manning: Yes: 150% pay We get almost everything we need and want in this TA, while our peers have only some or mostly none of what the TA has in the way of rigs and protection. The only thing that would be concessionary about this TA would be to turn it down and languish in the weeds forever while our E-Board and our incompetent leader gets us nothing, just like they have done for years now. Now is the time to get a contract--not because we are tired of waiting, but because this TA is remarkably good IMHO. ~Average min day = 4 hours at most regionals (line-holder and reserve) ~Average cancelation pay at most regionals is leg-by-leg pay. Endeavor has leg-by-leg plus up. ~Average DHD pay is 75% at most regionals (SKW has 100% in some cases) ~Average Per diem at most regionals is between $1.65-1.80. (A few cents isn't going to make this TA remarkable) ~Average min guarantee at most regionals is 75 hours (SKW is 80hours for E120) ~ Average at most most regionals critical pay/premium pay is between 150-200%. ~Average call out is 2 hours at most regionals ~Average min days off is 11 days at most regionals There is nothing remarkable about this. You have ALL the leverage to get a truly remarkable industry leading contract that raises the bar. Do not settle. And by average at most regionals I mean regionals that fly jets like you. |
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