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PolishPilot 03-18-2014 08:15 AM

Confessions of a Union Buster
 
I think it is an interesting video of a man who was hired as a consultant to management in order to win contract negotiations with unions. It is 29min long, but it has pretty interesting details.


Confessions of a Union Buster Interview - YouTube


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Confessions of a Union Buster interview

CRM114 03-18-2014 08:20 AM

Didn't watch the video, was it about Babbit?

Doug Heffernan 03-18-2014 09:12 AM


Originally Posted by CRM114 (Post 1604870)
Didn't watch the video, was it about Babbit?

LMAO! :D Ol' Randy is a trip.

flybywire44 03-18-2014 09:22 AM

Watch the video.

CaptainNameless 03-18-2014 09:27 AM

That looks like it was from like 1995 or 1996. Scope was the big fight, as I recall. APA ended up going on strike for like 12 minutes. They sure won that one...:rolleyes:

smackahoCEO 03-18-2014 09:52 AM

What is going on in the industry right now is exactly the opposite. Especially the regional sector. Unions (except PSA--had to throw that in) are telling mgmt "we want a slice of the pie." Airlines are profitable under the current model. Many are experiencing record profits. Regional airlines supply north of 50% of the domestic lift. Regional pilots deserve a slice of the pie. Up to an including the point where it is no longer "cheaper" to outsource. Bringing those jobs back to mainline carriers.

We have a ways to go until we close that gap. Fact of the matter is that there is a market for RJ's. There is a market for regional pilots. It starts with XJET/ASA/eagle saying "NO." Not saying "NO" to just say no, but saying no to concessions. To low wages. To bad work rules, and so on. Regional pilots deserve a comfortable lifestyle. A livable wage, retirement, healthcare. Many regional pilots are young. A good retirement at 25-30-35 years of age is better than a great retirement plan starting at 40. Due to compound interest over 40 years.

Regional pilots are finally on the same page (except one group: see above). They demand wages and work rules. A livable wage. A standard of living. Now all the attention is on Republic and Eagle. Hopefully they do the right things. Momentum is on the side of the regional pilot groups. There is no reason for concessions. The companies with a good contract will be able to staff their respective airlines. That is incentive for mgmt. The landscape is going to change over the next couple of years. Should be an interesting ride.

iceman49 03-18-2014 10:08 AM

Excellent presentation!

Doug Heffernan 03-18-2014 11:24 AM


Originally Posted by flybywire44 (Post 1604920)
Watch the video.

No thanks. Anything a union buster (current or former) is selling, I ain't buying...

flybywire44 03-18-2014 12:39 PM


Originally Posted by CaptainNameless (Post 1604924)
That looks like it was from like 1995 or 1996. Scope was the big fight, as I recall. APA ended up going on strike for like 12 minutes. They sure won that one...:rolleyes:

Bill Clinton ordered the strike canceled and forced APA to outsource regional jet flying to American Eagle.

To their benefit, Eagle pilots gained instant entitlement.


Originally Posted by smackahoCEO (Post 1604945)
What is going on in the industry right now is exactly the opposite. Especially the regional sector. Unions (except PSA--had to throw that in) are telling mgmt "we want a slice of the pie." Airlines are profitable under the current model. Many are experiencing record profits. Regional airlines supply north of 50% of the domestic lift. Regional pilots deserve a slice of the pie. Up to an including the point where it is no longer "cheaper" to outsource. Bringing those jobs back to mainline carriers.

We have a ways to go until we close that gap. Fact of the matter is that there is a market for RJ's. There is a market for regional pilots. It starts with XJET/ASA/eagle saying "NO." Not saying "NO" to just say no, but saying no to concessions. To low wages. To bad work rules, and so on. Regional pilots deserve a comfortable lifestyle. A livable wage, retirement, healthcare. Many regional pilots are young. A good retirement at 25-30-35 years of age is better than a great retirement plan starting at 40. Due to compound interest over 40 years.

Regional pilots are finally on the same page (except one group: see above). They demand wages and work rules. A livable wage. A standard of living. Now all the attention is on Republic and Eagle. Hopefully they do the right things. Momentum is on the side of the regional pilot groups. There is no reason for concessions. The companies with a good contract will be able to staff their respective airlines. That is incentive for mgmt. The landscape is going to change over the next couple of years. Should be an interesting ride.

50% of lift? Regional pilots supply north of 50% of domestic flights, but I don't know what % of ASMSs that is.

Regional pilots should definitely fight for better work rules and pay.

CaptainCarl 03-18-2014 12:45 PM


Originally Posted by Doug Heffernan (Post 1605015)
No thanks. Anything a union buster (current or former) is selling, I ain't buying...

Ignorance comes in many forms, yours seems to be that of the stubborn type. Watch the video, there's nothing being sold.

Doug Heffernan 03-18-2014 03:23 PM


Originally Posted by CaptainCarl (Post 1605098)
Ignorance comes in many forms, yours seems to be that of the stubborn type. Watch the video, there's nothing being sold.

Just watched it. Very informative and not at all what I was expecting. I especially found interesting the part about "divide and conquer" and "time and delay". That seems to be the #1 game plan of management in dealing with unions today.

I may be ignorant and stubborn, but at least I'm man enough to admit it when I've been put in my place. :D

bedrock 03-18-2014 04:21 PM

I posted this same link elsewhere and it what it all boils down to is FEAR. They try to create fear. If you refuse to fear they have little power.

At my garbage truck of an airline, they actually intimidated our own union negotiators into promoting a concessionary contract in the face of evidence to the contrary. Don't fear them. Their words are hollow now.

iflythewest 03-19-2014 08:43 AM

This video should be mandatory viewing before any regional pilot can vote on any TA.


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