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04-26-2014, 09:48 AM

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freezingflyboy

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Originally Posted by Lindenberg

Yeah that's where we are stuck. We are on demand charter/cargo with occasional scheduled flights. Thanks for the input.

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Originally Posted by TBucket

Get in contact with the jumpseat guys at various airlines. They're the ones with the power to set something up. Some might not be interested, but you never know.

Lindenberg, you'd be surprised what can be set up. My company flies to a lot of the BFE places along the Gulf coast where certain companies fly helicopters out to the oil rigs. I know at least one (possibly two?) of those helicopter companies have JS agreements with us. The exchange for us is that if you call ahead and set it up, you can take a ride along in one of their helicopters out to a rig or get a lesson flying a whirly bird!

Also, I'm pretty sure we have an agreement with one of the Vegas/Grand Canyon tour companies.

04-26-2014, 10:06 AM

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I worked at a 121 scumbag that would arrange travel all over east Jesus just so we would not use the ticket. So most of us would check in on the flight so the company would be charged for the ticket and never use it. We would J/S home on the most direct flight. At the end of the quarter they would ask us to turn the ticket in for credit and we never would. Another case of stepping over a dollar to save a dime. I would never jeopardize the jumpseat to save the company money to go to some travel persons end of the quarter bonus.

04-26-2014, 12:33 PM

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Thanks for expanding on my point, folks. I was short for time and couldn't do it myself.

What packrat and rickair have said is correct and I'd like to add one more thing:

If CASS is down (can't be checked) jump seaters can still ride in the cabin.

I was given a hard time by a mainline captain because CASS wasn't working...he nearly denied me a ride with a dozen open seats in the cabin because he misinterpreted CASS to be some sort of JS agreement clearing house.

04-26-2014, 02:11 PM

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Same thing happened to me. The Company computer crapped itself and CASS couldn't be accessed. Unfortunately, the flight was full and the Captain, even though he wanted to, couldn't allow me on his offline jumpseat.

However, on the next flight out of town, there were seats in the back (Whew!) and that Captain was more than welcoming, even though our computer was still down.

04-26-2014, 02:34 PM

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Just put of curiosity if you have a reciprocal js agreement with am airline and cass is down can the captain still find a way to get you on the jumpseat? I've run into this a few times and I think the gate agent just told me to go and they'd figure it out later but I can't remember exactly what happened.

04-26-2014, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by MrObvious

Just put of curiosity if you have a reciprocal js agreement with am airline and cass is down can the captain still find a way to get you on the jumpseat?

The answer is no. If your company's CASS system is inop, they cannot verify your identity and would be open to huge fines and certificate action for the flight deck crew if they did allow you in the jumpseat. After 9/11 they inserted a reg that says the pilots have the ultimate responsibility to prevent unauthorized access to the flight deck. Pilots have received certificate action under this regulation.

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Originally Posted by freezingflyboy

Now, if you have an ID from a company I recognize, certificates and all that jazz, I have no problem putting you in a cabin seat with or without a CASS approval.

Correct. At this point you become just another non-rev. You will be at the bottom of the non-rev boarding priority list, but if a cabin seat is available, "Welcome Aboard."

04-27-2014, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Packrat

This is a very important point. A retired pilot from a major airline who now ferries jets all over the world lost his non-rev privileges permanently when he got turned in for jumpseating from his delivery city home. I'd guess all airlines would look unfavorably on jumpseating/non-revving for commercial purposes.

I know that American Airlines has a sniffer in their computer system that monitors excessive one-way employee non-rev travel. It is stated policy that you are forbidden from using company nonrev privileges for the furtherance of a personal business. If the system sees a guy who say lives in Tulsa and has a very busy business ferrying airplanes all over the US, they might investigate why this guy keeps non-revving from strange places back into TUlsa one-way.

My dad was telling me that a guy who worked in his shop had a side business repositioning rental cars for companies like Enterprise. He'd non-rev out then drive the car from wherever USA to TUlsa. AA eventually caught on and his pass travel was suspended.