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Originally Posted by kfahmi
(Post 1642785)
You gotta start blocking out your lunchtimes with made-up meetings with incomprehensible acronyms, like 'PNR Review' or whatever. Nobody ever asks what that is because they don't want to look like they don't know ;) And then, go eat your lunch in peace...
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Originally Posted by SongMan
(Post 1642651)
Hi,
Those of you who left good paying job for regional and are happy, how long have you been at the regional??? I'm genuinely curious. And for those of you who left solid/professional career and been at the regional for many years, how do you like it after all these years? does it not feel like "just a job" at the end of the day for you now that you have some years under your belt? I only ask as I read many on this forum who states that fun of flying quickly fades away and it just becomes another job. Thank you very much! Some people are unhappy no matter what. That said, I haven't been either lucky or unlucky in this career. I know a lot of people that got on with a major or decent LCC by the time they had as much time in as myself, but then again there have been people with multiple furloughs by now too. I work for a pretty decent place, but really do hope I move on to something else in the next year or two... JetBlue, Frontier, VA, or similar are on my list. |
Imagine your boss send you of town on a business trip. You get to your destination and there is no hotel booked for you. Your company will not answer calls. You have no corporate credit card. You have to book a hotel at last minute for yourself and your colleagues...and pay for the cab. Very early in the morning, you pay for another cab and go to your meeting to find out it's been moved to 4 hours later. You have to sit around at the local McD's until meeting time. The meeting is delayed.
You are only on salary, so you get paid nothing extra for this wasted time. Then you have to send multiple emails, just to get paid correctly and get your earnings and refund. This is a business day at XJT. |
Originally Posted by bedrock
(Post 1643121)
Imagine your boss send you of town on a business trip. You get to your destination and there is no hotel booked for you. Your company will not answer calls. You have no corporate credit card. You have to book a hotel at last minute for yourself and your colleagues...and pay for the cab. Very early in the morning, you pay for another cab and go to your meeting to find out it's been moved to 4 hours later. You have to sit around at the local McD's until meeting time. The meeting is delayed.
You are only on salary, so you get paid nothing extra for this wasted time. Then you have to send multiple emails, just to get paid correctly and get your earnings and refund. This is a business day at XJT. Imagine spending time at home on your days off answering emails and organizing travel. You have to scour the internet for flights that maximize your time while meeting the budget. Even worse, sometimes you start your day traveling at 4am and when you get back to your city, you have to come into the office because you're salary and have things to attend to. |
Originally Posted by CBreezy
(Post 1643126)
I'm not trying to defend what XJT did today (I heard a rumor), but at many companies, you have to spend a significant amount of time organizing your own hotel rooms, transportation, etc. Sometimes you aren't given a company credit card, have to pay out of pocket and are reimbursed accordingly. Sometimes you end up paying out of pocket if you accidentally go over budget for the trip and sometimes the meetings are cancelled without your prior knowledge. Even worse, if you're a salesmen, you could have wasted 2 days of your life on a customer that wasn't even interested in the first place.
Imagine spending time at home on your days off answering emails and organizing travel. You have to scour the internet for flights that maximize your time while meeting the budget. Even worse, sometimes you start your day traveling at 4am and when you get back to your city, you have to come into the office because you're salary and have things to attend to. Then that is a crap company to work for. I used to work outside of aviation; we had a travel department. Sometimes, I got my own ticket and got reimbursed. I was ALWAYS paid correctly. If something was cancelled for some reason, I went back to the hotel, I did not sit around for hours and hours. I did work very long hours on projects at times, but when a project was finished, I went home on time. I did not pay for bi-annual medical exams, crashpads, and my food on company travel was paid for as well. I also was paid in 1998 what I make now as a 9 yr. captain. |
Originally Posted by bedrock
(Post 1643148)
Then that is a crap company to work for.
I used to work outside of aviation; we had a travel department. Sometimes, I got my own ticket and got reimbursed. I was ALWAYS paid correctly. If something was cancelled for some reason, I went back to the hotel, I did not sit around for hours and hours. I did work very long hours on projects at times, but when a project was finished, I went home on time. I did not pay for bi-annual medical exams, crashpads, and my food on company travel was paid for as well. I also was paid in 1998 what I make now as a 9 yr. captain. |
Originally Posted by CBreezy
(Post 1643150)
That's what some military members have to do. Obviously I picked the worst of the situations, but it happens none-the-less. Again, I don't condone what they did/do. I just said it happens at MANY companies, especially those that aren't large enough to support a travel department.
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Originally Posted by bedrock
(Post 1643156)
It might not matter if Willy Loman gets to Topeka at 6:30 or 8:30 for his 10:00 am meeting with Acme vacuum parts, but it does matter in the 121 world.
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Originally Posted by Std Deviation
(Post 1643166)
It also matters to a 121 passenger when the flight diverts to Houston in lieu of Dallas, heads out, sits, returns, and cancels. Especially when it's nearly midnight, many other flights have diverted as well, and 90% of the staff has gone home for the night. No seats from IAH to DFW for two days, no hotels within 50 miles, and 3 rental cars left for hundreds of people (insert John Candy and Steve Martin here). If the pax are treated this way I can only imagine the staff... Fortunately I got one of the three cars:cool:
I swear, as regional airlines meltdown, we will be back to taking Greyhound. how long is the bus ride from IAH to DFW? 4 hrs? |
Originally Posted by Std Deviation
(Post 1642818)
And "forget" to sign in on Messenger so your exact status cannot be determined. I resorted to walking around the building with a file folder looking confused and disheveled so I appeared grossly engaged in something more pressing.:D
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I think the best regionals are SkyWest, Horizon and Air Wisconsin. AWAC is good if you are East Coast, SkyWest if you are West. Horizon is the Alaska feeder and is great if you live NW.
But, Horizon has a longer time to captain upgrade, and is a lot smaller. I also think they are not short of pilots...can anyone confirm this? From what I have heard, AWAC and SkyWest are both short of pilots, but not extremely so like most of the other regionals. I believe SkyWest is bigger than AWAC. SkyWest also has turboprops, as does Horizon, while AWAC is all jets. |
Best regional jet outfit for a new FO?
What makes AWAC so good of a place to work? Also aren't they about to come up on contract renewal? I was under impression they were in trouble because they have an all 200 fleet?
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I forgot about Compass.
AWAC has good pilot mgmt relations, decent work rules and scheduling. The two guys I know there...only complaint is is a regional. I don't think they'll have any problem switching to bigger aircraft.They financially bailed out USAir so USAir owes them. |
If your looking at commuting to New York City don't forget EWR which has 5 flights a day to Buffalo. Regionals with a EWR base are CommutAir, RAH, and ExpressJet. I work at CommutAir and I really like it here. Definitely something to look into!
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Just searching through these forums, I'm bit of a newbie here. I'm Canadian but have a green card through family ties.
a little bio about my self, I'm king air driver in the artic doing civil medevac missions. 1400tt 1200 turbine, 150mpic, aviation associate and in the process of completing my 4yr degree in underwater basket weaving... ultimately I'd like to move on to a major airline such as united, delta, American and such. im sure this might have been asked before; I'm searching for good flow through regional airlines, I've heard eagle has a flow to American, and compass to Delta? are there any more with good flow throughs? Any help would be appreciated, thanks! |
Originally Posted by sqwkvfr
(Post 1642148)
Unless you live in a Republic base...if that's the case, I recommend commuting.
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Why not fly in Canada ??? I hear all of the Canadian pilots are 100 times better then us American pilots are! Or how easy is it for me to get a job in Canada? I flew with a bunch of Canadian pilots and was constantly told how much better they are. In fact if you are commonwealth person you are a better pilot at least what I have always been told. Don't really have a chip but I loved hearing how inferior American pilots are from commonwealth pilots who are not flying in there respective home country.
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Originally Posted by Magpuller
(Post 1642326)
My list of best regional airlines for a new F/O:
Harvard School of Law Virginia Tech School of Medicine MIT Cal-Tech Stanford School of Business Hell even ITT technical institutes are better "regional airlines." Don't kill you love of flying by becoming an airline pilot. Take a different career path, one that makes you wealthy then buy and fly your own jet on vacations to the tropics... This is a no-brainer man. |
Originally Posted by darkman62
(Post 1655113)
Why not fly in Canada ??? I hear all of the Canadian pilots are 100 times better then us American pilots are! Or how easy is it for me to get a job in Canada? I flew with a bunch of Canadian pilots and was constantly told how much better they are. In fact if you are commonwealth person you are a better pilot at least what I have always been told. Don't really have a chip but I loved hearing how inferior American pilots are from commonwealth pilots who are not flying in there respective home country.
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Originally Posted by wrxpilot
(Post 1655155)
I've flown with quite a few Canadians at my US regional. Getting a good gig as a Canadian pilot can be pretty tough, according to them. Incidentally, all of the Canucks I've flown with were good pilots, yet humble with good personalities. I'm not doubting your own experience at all... But as usual, it probably comes down to the person as far as personality goes.
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My list of best regional airlines for a new F/O: Harvard School of Law What if you don't want to be a lawyer. And, if you do, your chances of making it into HSL are very low. Virginia Tech School of Medicine What if you don't want to be a Doctor? MIT A good school, but what if you don't want to be an Engineer...and it is difficult to get into MIT. Cal-Tech What if you don't want to be an engineer. And, it doesn't matter anyway. CalTech has about 900 entering freshman per year, and 99% of pilots aren't qualified to get in, so it's not a realistic option. Stanford School of Business What if you don't want to be in business? Hell even ITT technical institutes are better "regional airlines." What if you are not interested in any tech school areas? Also, there are many, many jobs and career fields where you need a four year degree. Don't kill you love of flying by becoming an airline pilot. What if you want to be an airline pilot, and have no interest in flying GA? Take a different career path, one that makes you wealthy then buy and fly your own jet on vacations to the tropics... What if you don't want to be wealthy...and you may not want to vacation in the tropics, also. This is a no-brainer man. Everyone is different. There are many, many people for whom this advice is completely wrong...and some for whom it is perfect. God Bless and namaste |
bumping this thread. its the first positive thing i have read on here in well forever
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Originally Posted by rickt86
(Post 1642257)
Avoid gojet and psa
Honestly, get a corporate job, they pay more and you will likely get to the left seat faster than at any regional. Then with some TPIC, go to JB or a major with your military background. Theres nothing to see here at the regionals........its a very sour place.. |
Originally Posted by Chupacabras
(Post 1656983)
And endeavor...
Honestly, get a corporate job, they pay more and you will likely get to the left seat faster than at any regional. Then with some TPIC, go to JB or a major with your military background. Theres nothing to see here at the regionals........its a very sour place.. Not good for pilots already on property but isn't this good for a young CFIs shooting for Delta? Agreed, who knows how long it will take and it may be just a carrot to staff Endeavor. But I bet Endeavor will be flooded with apps shortly. |
Originally Posted by BaronRouge380
(Post 1657006)
Why avoid Endeavor? Is it because of the new EtD agreement for new hires?
Not good for pilots already on property but isn't this good for a young CFIs shooting for Delta? Agreed, who knows how long it will take and it may be just a carrot to staff Endeavor. But I bet Endeavor will be flooded with apps shortly. It will be interesting to see how the company responds if (And likely when) this new EtD promise fails to solve their apparent (and apparently dumbfounding) lack of ability to attract pilots. (I lol'd as I typed this). |
Originally Posted by Magpuller
(Post 1642326)
My list of best regional airlines for a new F/O:
Harvard School of Law Virginia Tech School of Medicine MIT Cal-Tech Stanford School of Business Hell even ITT technical institutes are better "regional airlines." Don't kill you love of flying by becoming an airline pilot. Take a different career path, one that makes you wealthy then buy and fly your own jet on vacations to the tropics... This is a no-brainer man. You have no idea what this guy’s background is. I changed oil and mounted tires at Wal-Mart while I was in college, and then worked as a trim carpenter. Am I going to be unhappy as a RJ pilot? Maybe, if the APU breaks and it gets hot I’ll be upset because I didn’t listen to you and go to Harvard. “Hell even” ITT WTF’s wrong with ITT plenty of people go there and have good jobs? The only reason more people don’t go right after high school is because their parents pump them up and tell them their worth a million bucks and need a BS degree and should make 65-85K first year after college. |
Whatever career you choose, you are not going to be as locked into it as you are as an airline pilot. 10 years ago, no one told me that and there were no forums like this. Even if you are a HVAC guy from ITT tech, you can change jobs w/o starting out at yr. 1 pay. You learn your trade, do your apprenticeship, then you are done.
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Originally Posted by Moonwolf
(Post 1642022)
Seriously? There are about 10 threads with the same subject matter. Cue the psa/envoy usuals...
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Originally Posted by thevagabond
(Post 1657597)
No kidding. Would you like us to decide your favorite color for you too? There is no such thing as a best airline. Only a best airline for you. You need to sit down, relax in silence, and consider what's most important for yourself. Then interview and decide. That will be five cents please.:rolleyes:
Are you afraid the internet is gonna get filled up? If you aren't interested in reading the subject don't open the thread. There's like 6 Pinnacle threads right now talking about their new flow but no one complains there because it's a popular subject. |
Originally Posted by pagey
(Post 1657606)
I'm not so sure why people get all bent out of shape when people start new threads.
Are you afraid the internet is gonna get filled up? If you aren't interested in reading the subject don't open the thread. There's like 6 Pinnacle threads right now talking about their new flow but no one complains there because it's a popular subject. |
Air Wisconsin. Hands down the best outfit for Mil Leave. One of my old squadron buddies is there. He took 4 years off from AWAC and had a few gaps in his orders, but they were very awesome with him. He even got cards thanking him for his service. Here at Envoy, most pilots, and management, think you are some sort of "cheater of the system" if you go on Mil Leave.
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You can fill the internet up? Omg. I am canceling my Facebook. Lol. Good morning!
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Originally Posted by PilotCrusader
(Post 1657656)
Air Wisconsin. Hands down the best outfit for Mil Leave. One of my old squadron buddies is there. He took 4 years off from AWAC and had a few gaps in his orders, but they were very awesome with him. He even got cards thanking him for his service. Here at Envoy, most pilots, and management, think you are some sort of "cheater of the system" if you go on Mil Leave.
PM me who he is? Just curious Btw that's disgusting that y'all are looked at that way at EGL. |
Stay away from endeavor..
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Originally Posted by sqwkvfr
(Post 1642148)
Unless you live in a Republic base...if that's the case, I recommend commuting.
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Originally Posted by bodean
(Post 1659359)
If you live in a Republic base, plan on it being closed in around 10 months.......or better yet, go elsewhere (company wise)
In the failed TA, the company tried to drastically reduce credit for mil leave which would almost guarantee a reserve schedule with <11 days off for all military pilots. We currently have pilots getting attendance write-ups because the company doesn't want to allow travel time (USERRA 101) to/from drill. Unless you want 9 days off or less and a commute to reserve I'd go to a different company. Yes, Republic prorates your days off and pay for mil days, even if you could have held them in your bid. |
Originally Posted by samc
(Post 1659395)
Republic protections for MIL leave are the bare minimum required by law (at best). Simple things like bonuses, 401K and return to insurance take months (literally) of emails to resolve. Also, mil leave is treated less favorably than a few other leave types which can cause/force a reserve schedule.
In the failed TA, the company tried to drastically reduce credit for mil leave which would almost guarantee a reserve schedule with <11 days off for all military pilots. We currently have pilots getting attendance write-ups because the company doesn't want to allow travel time (USERRA 101) to/from drill. Unless you want 9 days off or less and a commute to reserve I'd go to a different company. Yes, Republic prorates your days off and pay for mil days, even if you could have held them in your bid. |
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