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d5pilot 05-30-2014 05:29 AM

Flt Canc. 4 pilots later?
 
How could this happen? Pilots timing out?

Delta passengers upset because pilot doesn't show

B200 Hawk 05-30-2014 05:38 AM

Man, would be sweet to have the one PILOT exemption they have over there.

Spoilers 05-30-2014 05:42 AM

Oh well... You get what you pay for.

CBreezy 05-30-2014 05:47 AM

I guess none of those angry passengers have ever called in sick for a day of work before. I don't know why they didn't cancel it later, though. 12 hours?

dirtysidedown 05-30-2014 05:59 AM

What a joke. It's only gonna get worse from here on out. Unfortunately the flying public usually doesn't know the difference between mainline and regional and simply book their tickets without thinking about it. Regional carriers are always the first to be cancelled in any IROP situations versus mainline flights. When traveling with anykind of time constraints i try to avoid booking on regional flights, they are not to be trusted.

yimke 05-30-2014 06:29 AM

Can't recruit FOs due to NYC basing off terrible pay. It was bound to happen. Here comes some more great stories this summer.

AlaskaBound 05-30-2014 06:45 AM


Originally Posted by Spoilers (Post 1654595)
Oh well... You get what you pay for.

THIS^^^^ mixed with no one wanting to move out to NYC to make nothing but peanuts for pay. It's just gonna get worse.

AlaskaBound 05-30-2014 06:50 AM


Originally Posted by yimke (Post 1654618)
Can't recruit FOs due to NYC basing off terrible pay. It was bound to happen. Here comes some more great stories this summer.

This is the culprit. It's not about the new pilot rest rules, it's about no one willing to relocate to NYC to take a job paying 20k a year. It's the regional model and it's failing. This is proof. Pay regional pilots a livable wage and we would see this problem mostly disappear.

aviatormjc 05-30-2014 07:24 AM

February 2009, what has changed? Colgan-->Pinnacle-->Endevour. Still paying FOs next to nothing based in NYC. History will repeat itself, they did not fix the issue.

minimwage4 05-30-2014 07:50 AM


Originally Posted by d5pilot (Post 1654588)
How could this happen? Pilots timing out?

Delta passengers upset because pilot doesn't show

You seriously asking that?

bedrock 05-30-2014 08:05 AM

C'mon. I'm sure Roger Cohen can find some nice homeless shelters for NYC crews. Also, if you make it to 2nd yr. pay, you can stay at the YMCA in a bunkbed for 100/ nt. Pay isn't the problem, it's those arbitrary rules!

pete2800 05-30-2014 08:23 AM


Originally Posted by Catboatsailor (Post 1654677)
The only way to fix this is by the Mainline MEC's. We can't do a thing from here. They'll just shut us down and transfer the airplanes.

Nope, that won't work either. Name one regional that isn't already hiring like crazy just to staff their current flying. No one could take on that level of growth right now.

SpeedyVagabond 05-30-2014 12:42 PM


Originally Posted by pete2800 (Post 1654695)
Nope, that won't work either. Name one regional that isn't already hiring like crazy just to staff their current flying. No one could take on that level of growth right now.

Agreed. Perhaps these next several years will find 175s and CRJ 900s as the smallest narrow body aircraft at the big three. There are plenty of highly skilled operators for them to bring along into the right seats. In any event, cities across the United States will soon be losing frequency of flights and perhaps even service. Yay! Fuller flights to commute and dead head on.:rolleyes:

Ultralight 05-30-2014 08:17 PM

And so it begins. This summer is going to be like a train wreck in slow motion. It will be interesting to see what carrots the regionals will be dangling this time next year. Maybe they'll come up with something very generous, like offer to pay for half of your uniform!

MD11 06-01-2014 07:05 AM


Originally Posted by d5pilot (Post 1654588)

Honestly, who cares?....
The legacies (and alpa) have been engineering this for over twenty years. Sadly, one of the side effects was the destruction of our vibrant flight training infrastructure. Raise they pay and still no quantity of significance will show up for these jobs.
As a side note, I hope the Norwegians get what they want and pull a few good regional folks from the Legacy cesspools.

NineGturn 06-01-2014 05:23 PM

I was LMAO when I watched that.

At first I thought it was another RAA publicity stunt trying to convince the flying public that we have a pilot shortage and they need the right to scrape even lower in the experience pool to find pilots.

But I don't think so. I think this was one of those rare situations where the media actually found and told a story without being paid to. Or maybe they asked "Delta" for money not to run it and they refused! ;-)

I was laughing mostly because they continually referred the airline as "Delta" and the pilots as "Delta pilots" with no mention of regional airlines, code shares, regional jets or anything other than "Delta." Good! Let the mainlines start taking the heat for the mess we created. My perspective on this industry is so vastly different than it was when I flew regionals some twenty years ago.

csucbrown 06-01-2014 07:16 PM

I laughed when I read about the person who was whining about missing their brothers wedding. "I get to go to a wedding and just LOOK how much money I saved on these cheap ass tickets! suckers!"

crazyjaydawg 06-01-2014 10:57 PM


Originally Posted by csucbrown (Post 1656158)
I laughed when I read about the person who was whining about missing their brothers wedding. "I get to go to a wedding and just LOOK how much money I saved on these cheap ass tickets! suckers!"

I laugh because if it's that important of an event to go to, wouldn't you want to be there a day prior anyways? I feel like if you schedule your flight to get in just a couple hours before the wedding in the first place, then you're not taking that wedding to seriously.

pete2800 06-02-2014 12:41 AM


Originally Posted by crazyjaydawg (Post 1656232)
I laugh because if it's that important of an event to go to, wouldn't you want to be there a day prior anyways? I feel like if you schedule your flight to get in just a couple hours before the wedding in the first place, then you're not taking that wedding to seriously.

This.

Time to spare? Go by air.

Justdoinmyjob 06-02-2014 04:05 AM


Originally Posted by MD11 (Post 1655763)
As a side note, I hope the Norwegians get what they want and pull a few good regional folks from the Legacy cesspools.

Yeah, because so many US regional pilots hold EASA or CAA certificates, which are required to work at NAI. FAA ATP? Nope, sorry, no hiring for you!

MD11 06-02-2014 01:57 PM


Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob (Post 1656268)
Yeah, because so many US regional pilots hold EASA or CAA certificates, which are required to work at NAI. FAA ATP? Nope, sorry, no hiring for you!

If you look, the process to convert to EASA, it's not too difficult.... definitely less effort than showing up everyday to a dead end regional job.

"Justdoinmyjob" - I could be wrong, but I am guessing you are legacy pilot? Part of the "I got mine" crowd?


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