If it's benefits you want make sure you get on with a regional that flies for delta!

Wholly owned airlines are not in the top of the bottom of the stack. They share the same privileges as AA mainline employees when it comes to flight benefits. It is time of check in so an envoy employee/family member can get a seat and an AA employee could be left behind. The jumpseat for AA has priority on their metal followed by the WOs. While not great I've traveled several times with a family of three. It is close sometimes but always seems to work out.

Word to the wise… flight benefits are a joke! All flight are typically over sold and its completely unreliable source to travel. The only way I use them are last minute 1/2 day trips. And only if the flights look green coming back. I also have had to stop all routes flown by MESA because they are so unreliable. They cancel one flight and bam the rest of the flights get listed with revenue stand by. Forget about flying from DFW to ORD/MIA. You have to be crazy to try to go on one of those flights. Good luck.

True, but still doesn't help get you on the plane. It just helps to give you the bad news sooner.

Well... My wife and I have been using our AA travel benefits for a year now and haven't had any issues. Be savvy about the time of year and what day you make travel plans on and it usually works out. All AA wholly-owned regionals have the best travel benefits. And to whomever said you have to be a "25 year CA" to enjoy flight benefits is painting a stark picture. At PSA you can be a round 1 line holder and completely manipulate your monthly schedule via our SAP and get a week + off in a row almost every month if traveling is your thing and you want to take advantage. I know plenty of pilots here who do it.

I love how all you wholly owned guys tout that you have the best bennies. At Skywest, depending on where you're based, you have United, Delta, Alaska, and American. I would argue that having that flexibility is way better than having a little better priority on ONE carrier.

Yea you know, to each their own. All I was saying is that it is nice having the same priority as mainline is pretty nice for traveling and commuting. And AA happens to take me just about anywhere I want to go domestically, so off-line travel isn't even really a factor.

Really? Tell us...where on the priority list do Skywest pilots fall when attempting to board on United, Delta, Alaska, or American?

Because I can tell you how it works at Envoy, PSA, and PDT. EQUAL boarding priority on AA. We and our families are no different and if we checked in first (up to 24 hours prior) we can leave mainline AA pilots/employees at the gate.

Then after all AA/Envoy employees board guys like you who work for Skywest and other airlines get their turn...if there are any seats left.

You honestly think whatever it is you have at Skywest can beat that? Variety doesn't mean anything when you are at the bottom of a 80 person Standby list.

You're not at the bottom when you're on your own metal. And Skywest has a pretty large network. Not saying it's like being at Mainline, but I'd argue that the flexibility you get by being able to non-Rev at a mid-level priority on every US carrier can be just as important as being able to have a high priority on one. Tell me, Mr. WO, what happens when your last flight from ORD to anywhere is oversold on American. Can you go and get a high priority on United flight?

Hahahaha. Well I don't know what to tell you bud. I've taken my family of 5 to Hawaii, gotten several extended family members all over the country on buddy passes, and flown my step sons up and down the west coast multiple times a year. I would say you don't know what you don't know. I also know getting an entire family overseas is also very easy on our bennies. Yes, I think we beat that.

This.......

That's precious. It really is. Your buddy's original argument was that Skywest has better benefits because, as he put it, "the flexibility" of having multiple airlines to choose from.

So now it's been pointed out that you are the bottom of all those boarding lists and your comeback is to point out that you get to fly on your own metal??? ***?

Here's a newsflash Mr. Non-Wholly Owned: Envoy pilots have equal boarding priority not only on AA but our own metal as well. Shocker, right? And Envoy's network is pretty extensive all by itself. Then add AA's network on top of that which these days includes everything from US Airways. And unlike Skywest, Envoy/PSA/PDT pilots have equal priority on AA. We are not the last guys on a very long list hoping for one empty seat and no standbys.

Yet you still want to try and argue about this? You guys are desperately grasping at straws. I've heard weird things about Skywest pilots before and never really believed it...now I'm starting to think otherwise.

Express carriers aren't the last on their lists. I don't even work at Skywest. I just think having flexibility is just as important as super priority. When a flight is full, your pass riders have more options by choosing other airlines. I never said it was better. Get over yourself.

You're right. It isn't better. Tell that to the kid who was attempting to make that lame argument.

Logic is lost on him. Have I been bumped off a flight? Sure. Who hasn't? Would I rather walk across the terminal to check in for possibly 3 other options with 3 different carriers, or hope for a better result on the next American flight in 6 hours? Hmmmmm.

that was pretty funny. stereotyping all skywest pilots because of someone that doesn't even work for skywest. lol

I wish I had delta bennies, I think they are the best. But delta benefits aren't woth commuting or the pay/qol cuts I would take by jumping ship tp a carrier that could give me them.

United benefits are kinda meh, and AA benefits are almost completely useless if you are at a non-wholly-owned (I wish I could get US Airways bennies back!)

So if I'm reading this right, it's..

#1 AA's WO's
#2 Skywest

then...

?? Delta?

Apologies for being the NOOB

I have only been bumped once. It was from a jumpseat on mainline metal by a mainline pilot. And depending on where you are commuting from/to, there is usually more than one flight every six hours. Between where I live and the hub I work out of, there is a flight roughly every 2 hours. I'm easily able to commute in day of and come home the day my trip ends most of the time. There are a lot of benefits to working for a WO if you're a commuter. And I still have the ability to get home on either Delta or United or Southwest or whomever just like everyone else.

The consensus should be,
1. It's hardly a benefit anymore.
2. Whatever you know personally is best and all others are wrong.
3. SkyWest Pilots are weird. All 4000-ish. :eek:

In my opinion, where you are going and coming from largely varies what is "best" on its own case by case basis. This is really about your significant others anyway, YOU can Jumpseat on anybody.

Flight Benefits at your Regional?
 

Uhhhh....ever heard of Endeavor? Or even Compass? Both have high pay. Don't know anything about you but Endeavor has a junior east coast base and Compass has a junior west coast base. Both offer Delta benefits, with Endeavor having the best as they are wholly-owned. Again, don't know anything about you but if you're very junior, jumping ship to either one wouldn't cause you to have huge pay cuts and a bad QOL.


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Except that they are Useless most of the time. 4 useless choices versus 1. Four times the Suck.

To each his own I guess. While I think it's pretty ludicrous to even consider flight benefits as a factor when considering where to go, I have gotten my family all over the country on all of our partners. While I really miss the airways bennies, I'll take what we've got and use it to the fullest extent possible.

I agree with this. I have and my family has traveled the world on my benefits. They aren't useless.

You are talking about commuting, I am talking about leisure travel with my family. I don't commute. Don't know that I ever will.

I'm talking about commuting and leisure travel. Although in the post you pointed out above, yes, I was speaking specifically to commuting.

As has been said before... Picking a regional based on flight benefits is silly. If you plan on commuting, then I may consider a WO regional. If you are single, just move to base.

A LITTLE better??

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Says the guy who went to Meas, and already wants out.

Yep, Stupid move. Won't argue with you there. Even more stupid than thinking that Skywest somehow has better flight benefits than an American wholly owned does. So congrats! You are only one step above me on the stupid scale.

And I wish my prison sentence at Mesa has been short. Sad to say I've been here for a few years and what used to be bad has grown to intolerable. I guess all those pamphlets advertising "get in, get your time, get out" were not so true. Who would've known, right?

Funny. I've talked to a few guys here who jumped from Eagle. All of them said our flight bennies are vastly better. Keep name-calling though, it just gives you more credibility.

Haven't you heard? Only real pilots work for a WO.

I guess you missed the part where I said its not worth COMMUTING or taking a pay/qol cut. Why would it be worth jumping ship from a regional where I live in base, to one where I would give up precious days off to commute halfway across the country? I'm sure I'd have plenty of time to put travel benefits to use to travel the world after losing several days off each month as a commuter... :rolleyes:

And going from the top 10% in the base where I live to the bottom of the seniority list on reserve at compass or endeavor would be a hit to qol. Not to mention a pay cut at compass, and possibly endeavor (depending on what their latest bonus scheme is).

Order of priorities:
1 - living in base
2 - contract/pay
3 - movement/upgrade
4 - travel benefits

Again that's why I said I didn't know anything about you. Obviously if you're more senior anywhere it wouldn't make sense to jump ship. All I was saying is that if you're junior at some of the other regionals, compass or endeavor might be worth it to look into. If you're in the top 10% of seniority, it would make no sense to leave now for another regional. If you're in the bottom 10%, however, compass or endeavor might be worth it to at least research.


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A guy in my class from envoy said his benifits were better at envoy. Didn't think much of ours.

So a guy in class, who hasn't used his flight benefits yet, is a good resource? You are terrible at trolling. Try again.

^^^^ Right ? ^^^^ ... and, so Mr. Troll aka JB22 ... please also tell us why he bailed from wholly-owned Envoy with all those great AAdvantages, AA flows, and 3 year upgrades for the likes of SkyWest? Did you ever ask him THAT?

Oh, please tell us it's because his commute got easier ...that would be just precious.

I can hammer a nail with a crescent wrench and I can break off a bolt with a hammer. In both instances, the job gets done but one tool is most definitely better suited for the job than the other depending on the situation. It doesn't make a hammer a better tool than a wrench.


I think its kind of funny that you are getting all worked up over whether your flight benefits are better than that guy's. Its kind of like watching a couple of backwoods redneck hillbillies arguing over whose 20 year truck, that barley runs, is better.

If I where an Eagle guy I'd love those benefits. To have mainline benefits while at the regional would be huge. If I where at AA I'd think it would suck. I'd hate to be a mil hire in say my third year at AA and a Eagle guy bumps me off my mainline flight. Also IMO check in time should have nothing to do with priority. DOH period.

Glad we don't have that at Delta.

No. He was in my class in September at Skywest. Came from envoy. I talk to him weekly. I don't know what envoys benifits are like but that's what he says